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I know that Delecti is not Chaotic. He is a sorceror, which is something that Sartari are not fond of, to say the least, but he is not chaos. Delecti is evil, but that is not the same as chaos. Zombies are not chaos, they are undead. They don't register if you use detect chaos on them, unless the original zombified creature was chaotic, like a zombie broo. (yuck)
Hungry Jack is Chaos, and I would think that he would be a very unpopular ally for the Sartarites.
I'm not sure that Hydrae are considered chaotic. I'd have to check on them.
One way of looking at "allying" something like the Hydra is "controlling" it. But, that's just my perspective.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Goihl & Fahey [mailto:goihlk_at_zedat.fu-berlin.de]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:55 PM
To: glorantha-board_at_rpglist.org
Subject: Re: dragon pass questions
><< 5) For a game that pays so much attention to flavour >(and benefits hugely as a result) it seems a little odd to >me that the chaos-hating Sartarites are allowed to ally >chaotic creatures like Hungry Jack, Hydra and Delecti >and his Zombies. Is this an omission for the sake of the >game, or did I miss something in the fluff?>>
The game was made a few years before all that anti chaos stuff was written. Remember that this game is the earliest published work on Glorantha. Also, in the game you normally do things like sacrificing numbers of your own units, choosing which of your units are at the front to get butchered, and using pillars of fire and other horrors against others. You can also imagine that when you capture a city it is plundered by your troops and the inhabitants sold as slaves if they're lucky. So dealing with chaos is hardly a big no no. People there don't seem much concerned with human rights or being nice about anything. Think about recent history and who has allied with whom. It isn't a stretch to imagine Argrath allying with chaos when various modern nations regularly sell horrendous weapons to any old mass-murderer and get away with it while the press reports it to the populace. In Glorantha there is no mass-media, and people hear only conflicting vague rumors. So if someone tells! you that your nice Argrath allied with chaos you have probably also heard several dozen times in the past week that he killed chaos, or is himself dead, and that he's sacrificed the bad people, or the good people for our sake. In the absence of modern media there are so many conflicting stories floating around that people pay them little heed. Even with mass media, in most countries it is so censored and full of propaganda that people simply disbelieve most of what they hear. Leaders in Glorantha can do pretty much anything they want to. Did you actually see Argrath himself do any of those things? Who is saying that he did? Must be a Lunar agent.
><<6) How the hell does anyone remember all the rules for >the various exotics?
There are only a few, and at first you can look them up when needed. Much of that stuff is only used once per game, or not at all. You'll get used to them.
Daniel
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<DIV><SPAN class=012375014-01102003><FONT color=#0000ff>I know that Delecti is
not Chaotic. He is a sorceror, which is something</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=012375014-01102003><FONT color=#0000ff>that Sartari are not
fond of, to say the least, but he is not chaos. Delecti</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=012375014-01102003><FONT color=#0000ff>is evil, but that is not
the same as chaos. Zombies are not chaos, they</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=012375014-01102003><FONT color=#0000ff>are undead. They don't
register if you use detect chaos on them, unless</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=012375014-01102003><FONT color=#0000ff>the original zombified
creature was chaotic, like a zombie broo. (yuck)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=012375014-01102003><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=012375014-01102003><FONT color=#0000ff>Hungry Jack is Chaos,
and I would think that he would be a very unpopular</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=012375014-01102003><FONT color=#0000ff>ally for the
Sartarites.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=012375014-01102003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=012375014-01102003><FONT color=#0000ff>I'm not sure that Hydrae
are considered chaotic. I'd have to check on them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=012375014-01102003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=012375014-01102003><FONT color=#0000ff>One way of looking
at "allying" something like the Hydra is "controlling"</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=012375014-01102003><FONT color=#0000ff>it. But, that's just my
perspective. </FONT> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=012375014-01102003><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=012375014-01102003><FONT color=#0000ff>Rick</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Goihl & Fahey
[mailto:goihlk_at_zedat.fu-berlin.de]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 30, 2003
12:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B> glorantha-board_at_rpglist.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
dragon pass questions<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>><< 5) For a game that pays so much attention to flavour</DIV>
<DIV>>(and benefits hugely as a result) it seems a little odd to</DIV>
<DIV>>me that the chaos-hating Sartarites are allowed to ally</DIV>
<DIV>>chaotic creatures like Hungry Jack, Hydra and Delecti</DIV>
<DIV>>and his Zombies. Is this an omission for the sake of the</DIV>
<DIV>>game, or did I miss something in the fluff?>></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The game was made a few years before all that anti
chaos stuff was written. Remember that this game is the earliest
published work on Glorantha. Also, in the game you normally do things like
sacrificing numbers of your own units, choosing which of your units are at
the front to get butchered, and using pillars of fire and other
horrors against others. You can also imagine that when you capture a city it is
plundered by your troops and the inhabitants sold as slaves if they're lucky. So
dealing with chaos is hardly a big no no. People there don't seem much concerned
with human rights or being nice about anything. Think about recent history and
who has allied with whom. It isn't a stretch to imagine Argrath
allying with chaos when various modern nations regularly sell horrendous weapons
to any old mass-murderer and get away with it while the press
reports it to the populace. In Glorantha there is no mass-media, and
people hear only conflicting vague rumors. So if someone tells you that
your nice Argrath allied with chaos you have probably also heard several dozen
times in the past week that he killed chaos, or is himself dead, and that he's
sacrificed the bad people, or the good people for our sake. In the absence of
modern media there are so many conflicting stories floating around that people
pay them little heed. Even with mass media, in most countries it is so censored
and full of propaganda that people simply disbelieve most of what they
hear. Leaders in Glorantha can do pretty much anything they want to. Did
you actually see Argrath himself do any of those things? Who is saying that he
did? Must be a Lunar agent.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>><<6) How the hell does anyone remember all the rules for</DIV>
<DIV>>the various exotics?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are only a few, and at first you can look
them up when needed. Much of that stuff is only used once per game, or not at
all. You'll get used to them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Daniel</DIV></BODY></HTML>
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