>Martin Laurie froths at the mouth:
> >Hmm, your in danger of getting the cart before the horse here as I made
> >those comments _after_ you had already blasted me for being "obscene".
> >I am not in the habit of letting somebody repeatedly punch me in the
> >face without on occasion hitting back.
>I'm sorry if this, my original comment on your Vadeli post, constituted
>such a vicious bodyblow:
This one didn't.
>>Martin goes on to provide us with WAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION about the >>loathsome practices of the Red Vadeli, which nontheless has a >>good Gloranthan feel to it.
>(You'll recall that this 'blast' prompted Martin to retaliate, calling me
>a hypocrit and unfavourably comparing a very-much 'PG'-rated passage in
>"Rune Metal Jacket" to his own fervid 'NC17'-at-the-least-if-not-'X'-rated
>descriptions of bloodthirsty, necrophiliac rape-murders*)
Actually it was your next post that prompted me to retaliate but mostly I was retaliating against David Cake but as you objected to my post solely on the grounds that it was offensive to _you_ irregardless of the worth of the idea etc or merely saying "I disagree, here's what I think..." you were put in the same post.
You are just as defensive as me anyway. You've been quite annoyed at my comparison of your Rune Metal Jacket etc to the stuff I posted but I am being truthful when I say I find my own pretty bald stuff on Necrophilial Vadeli and your stuff on magical impalement rituals to be pretty much in the same ball park. Hence the hypocracy comment. Thats just my opinion however and I did like your work.
Me
> >Whether under physical, verbal or textual attack I retaliate. If you
> >don't like my retaliatory comments then don't start it in the first place.
> >If someone headbutted you would you buy his complaints of poor
> >sportsmaship after you broke his nose in return?????
>I am beginning to see that Onslaught is, after all, an autobiographical
>character, particularly the bit about "talks as if he is only 30-40%
>deliberately to foster the belief...".
Actually he's my Uncle Tony. (Ex-navy champion boxer, discharged for hitting an officer (could never take orders). Without any fear whatsoever and quite capable of starting a fight just because he _loved_ to do it. Scariest guy I've ever met in my life but I enjoyed sparring with him, great left hook. Haven't seen him for years, he went to Yugoslavia to fight the Serbs with the Croat merc unit recruiting in Britian at the time)
>However, all your talk of physical retaliation, headbuttings and breaking of
>noses almost gives me the creeps as much as the obvious relish you took with
>your lingering descriptions of the Vadeli rape murders. Am I going to need a
>bodyguard if I come to RQ Cons IV or V?
Not at all. I only fight people who have insulted me to my face. As I would never insult a person to their face and would be cordial no matter how much I hated or despised them etc, I expect the same treatment back. Surely you do too? I'm sure if some fellow insulted you you would feel obliged to sort it out in a proper fashion.
BTW what "lingering descriptions of Vadeli rape murders"???? I think I was pretty curt on the subject.
>And yes, I don't like your retaliatory comments - not to mention your
>inability to participate in a rigorous debate; take criticism, no matter how
>mild; or heed advice, no matter how patient and considerate - and so will
>refrain from commenting on any of your future postings regardless of whether
>I think them brilliant, offensive, thought-provoking, depraved, incisive,
>puerile or whatever.
Some of your comments _are_ constructive and much appreciated but I am mystified why you don't stick to the issue and instead cause a war by making it personal. If we were sitting opposite each other and knew each other well you would find I like an insult ridden debate as much as the next man but this isn't that kind of medium and its extemely easy to be insulting and misquoted without even trying. So when I do comment on someones post, even in disagreement I say things like "I disagree (IMO) because...." rather than "I disagree because you are stupid..." which would get anyone pissed off.
I cannot remember a single instant when you seem to have been "patient and considerate" in one of your posts. All I got on the Onslaught issue, which really shouldn't have been an issue, was an absolute earful of abuse and snide comments. I find your posts to be very condescending and patronising as much as you find mine aggressive and unpleasant.
I agree that its probably for the digests best if we refrain on discussing issues likely to cause WWIII. However, when we do meet at a Con, the first round is on me and you can insult me as much as you like (with a smile on your face) okay?
Nick Brooke writes:
>I prefer to think that Vadel instituted his vile practices, whatever they were
>(incest, sodomy, infanticide, necrophilia, eating shellfish, etc.) as a
survival
>mechanism in the Great Darkness; that they received a very bad press from the
>Brithini and Malkioni, who added Leviticus-like prohibitions against Vadelish
>behaviour to their corpus of Scripture; that Zzabur subsequently destroyed most
>of the Vadeli race, leaving only a few Brown Vadeli survivors, isolated on
their
>islands.
I agree with this view. Of course the Brithini and Malkioni are just some of the things that would have assailed them in the Greater Darkness so I don't think there can be any one cause to their survival magics, I think it was a whole era of bad things happening to them that drove them to use their twisted powers. Just a thought, perhaps they'd lost fertility through normal channels after some unpleasant Earth magics were used against them hence their reliance on other methods or perverted fertility rites.
>NB: it needn't make any difference to how you treat them IYG, but Greg and
Sandy
>are both firmly of the opinion that the Vadeli are absolutely, irredeemably
>EVIL. I used to think otherwise, but now think this is more fun.
Much more fun and there needs to be a truly irredeemable race in Glorantha, one without any saving virtues. The KoW is amoral but the Vadeli are the antithesis of life. Creepy.
Hehehehe. Very nasty. The idea that the Browns are a race of insurance salesmen in really scary. I'm beginning to think that they live in North America and invented the infomercial.....
Martin Laurie
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