I never saw Densesros in *this* light though I already knew that he changed some smaller parts to suit Argrath's taste. I always assumed thta both Argrath _and_ Kallyr lighted the Flame. But at the German RQ-Con Joerg pointed out that Argrath cheated somehow, a very smart idea. And it was Nick or him (or both) that said that the Telmori disobeyed Argrath because they only serve the rightful heir to the throne (I will explain "my" story later). And as KoS says Kallyr and the Telmori were allies and this bastard Argrath (I hate him for he destroys my tribe, curse him)fought against the Telmori till they surrendered and we outlawed. I wonder what Sartar himself would say to this.
> BTW, do you have any ideas what Argrath's quarrel with the Telmori >was?
> And, come to that, which Argrath it was? I've heard theories, but you
> seem to have studied the Telmori in more detail that the rest of us.
Actually I am thinking on this question for several month (since the RQ-Con) and it seems only half-ready and somehow inconsistant but I will state it anyway for you wished that.
How many Argraths are there ? Three : White Bull, Garreth Dragonspear and Argrath Giantfriend (the nice one) ? My sources are first KoS and second my imagination, so watch out !
IMG Argrath is not the real King of Sartar. He behaves so strangely
doing one thing here and the opposite there. I say that man who Argrath
is (I mean the body) is indeed the heir but his soul is not his own. He
is either possessed or something which has the same effect. Now he
cheats at lighting, perhaps lighting is a wrong word since the flame was
already burning but he asks Orlanth for his help and gets the big effect
infront of many Sartari who then recognise him to rule them. So some
Telmori King (not Kostajor since he is on the Heropaths in my campain to
bring back life and peace, one of the oldest Kings of the
Telmori, aged around 90 in 1627) come to visit Argrath and states that
he knows the Argrath is just
an usurper nothing else and that his tribe will not allow someone like
him to sit at the throne of Sartar. Now Argrath kills this King publicly
(of course this is not stated in CHoDP) and says that the Telmori are
chaotic and in league with the Lunars (KoS p.27, The Lunar army rushed
to save _their_ monsters). The Telmori are confronted by all the tribes
of Sartar at one time. They fight like fiends but have in the end no
chance against a whole kingdom as a little tribe (though the most
military powerful). They are destroyed through magics until then unknown
(KoS p.27, ...and they sniffed out their foes in the night and through
dreams). But the tragic part is that in the end when Argrath and his
warriors
who are "very highly honoured" (p.27) afterwards, come to the core of
the Telmori Woods they encounter Kostajor just returned from the Heroes'
Paths. They slay all Telmori regardless if man, woman or child. And
Argrath
charges at Kostajor, him standing without belief and in tears seeing
what has
happened to his tribe, Argrath holding aloft his sacret sword, and
praying aloud to Orlanth for help and aid, and he slays Kostajor, the
wolf who had saved Jarosar and Terasarin, the wolf whose wounds were
cured
by his own great-grandmother. This is tragedy. Afterwards all the
Telmori lose heart and either fight until they die (out of grief, I
think the is a similar scene in Lord of the Rings, where a King dies and
his whole army stormes the field) or migrate
somewhere.
It became quite long, sorry for those who weren't interested. I hope
this helps you somehow, Jane.
- --
bye, Thomas
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