Telmori, Alynxes, Hunger/Undead, Werewolves

From: Stephen Martin <ilium_at_juno.com>
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 23:33:00 EST


Peter Metcalfe
>Since that time, IMO, the most successful Telmori to survive would
>have been the Cursed Ones. The Pure Ones are at a significant
>disadvantage because they are Telmori and they don't have the
>ability to turn into werewolves - the ability to do so is the reason
>why the Telmori are the most successful Hsunchen tribe to survive
>contact with civilized folk. Thus I estimate the Pure Ones to be a
>small but significant minority among the Ralian Telmori.

Although I have admittedly missed the last four digests (somehow, they never reached me), this statement doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Pure Ones can use Telmor's magic to become wolves, so you can't mean this.

However, Cursed Ones cannot "turn into werewolves" with any control -- they become werewolves on Wildday nights, and the majority, if not all of them, cannot become wolves at will. Except by using Telmor's magic, of course.

So, could you elaborate on exactly why it is that the Cursed Ones are so much more likely to have survived than the Pure Ones?

Sandy Petersen
>Here's the problem -- if Gloranthan cats have
> personalities different from Earth cats, then why bother calling them
> cats at all? Gloranthan cats need to behave in most ways like Earth
> cats or they lose the emotional impact of being cats when your players
> meet them. There is more to animals than INT. A cat's INT and a dog's
> INT (and a hyena's, for that matter) might be the same, but this
> doesn't make them behaviorally similar.

As I said before, there is a problem with people using the word "cat" in this discussion too loosely. The alynxes are as similar to mountain lions and lynxes, IMO, as they are to domesticated cats. They are not felis familiaris, they are felis something else. This means that, although they will have similar personalities to other types of RW cats, they will also be different.

I pointed out that lions and tigers can be trained to do all sorts of things which I agree you could not get a tabby to do. But, shadow cats are not tabbies. If everyone will be a bit more exact in terminology, and specify what type of RW cat they care comparing alynxes too, this whole discussion might be easier to resolve.

I have no problem with certain breeds of cats being trained to do all sorts of things that a housecat could never be trained to do. Look at circuses, zoos, and places like Marine World. Try to get a tabby to jump through a flaming hoop, see where it gets you.

Nick Effingham responding to Ralph?
>> I'm also curious about the rune for 'Undead'. In
>>Drastic:chaos, it is depicted as a kind of Pacman on his back, but
>>the version in Cults of Terror has a rune more like the one labelled
>>'hunger' in Drastic. Is this a mistake or a change in thinking?

>I believe that the Hunger rune is the Undead Rune according to the
>God Learners, but in regions around Sartar, the Undead rune requires
>it's own Rune due to the importance of Undead in Sartarite society
>(re: one Upland Marsh).

Since I created this rune (with Eric Rowe), I will explain the rationale behind it. Cults of Terror gave us a rune, and called it Undead. Gods of Glorantha gave us the same rune, but called it Hunger instead. In other words, the original publication was at some point determined to have been wrong, or to have been too specific (in my belief). Thus, Undead was a specific use of the Hunger rune, in this case by the Vivamort "cult."

Now, I can accept the rune as Hunger -- it made little sense as Undead anyways. Though I fill it in to make it a dark rune -- the unfilled version I call Food or Feeding, and believe is a more accurate concept for deities like Odayla than Death -- they are not "killing for life," they are Feeding.

Anyways, if the rune in Cults of Terror was actually Hunger, per GoG, then what was the "real" Undead rune? For arcane reasons, we came up with the shape we did, though keep in mind that this is a _local_ rune to the Dragon Pass area, which may have spread somewhat. Its shape is not anything to do with Pacman, obviously -- it is instead inspired by the worldview of the Dragon Pass inhabitants most knowledgeable in undead matters.

I can reveal no more, for fear of the wrath of Humakt.

Someone responding to Nick Brooke
>Hold on now Nick. First convince me that werewolves don't
>transform on the Full Moon phase regardless of the day of the week. I
>find it hard to believe that the lunar cycle hasn't affected the poor
>beasts. After all, werewolves are traditionally moon-linked creatures.

Sorry, Nick is correct on this one -- Telmori are NOT RW werewolves, and have no known moon-connection. They all transform on Beastday, which has always been Wildday. In RQ2, we thought the Red Moon's phases were constant everywhere, but we know now it ain't true.

Besides, I love the idea of Cursed Ralian Telmori transforming into wolves on Freezeday night, seems so much more appropriate.

>Personally, I find it easy to believe that before the Red Moon
>rose, werewolves transformed on the day of the Blue Streak.

Well, since that day varies each week, and sometimes occurs up to 3 times in a week (though rarely), I say that would be a problematic theory at best.

Stephen Martin
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