In RW Islamic World, Iranic Culture usually held dominance over Culture and kept strain against more Fundamentalistic (and barren) Arabian Culture and more decentralized Greek Byzantine Culture. And Lunars came from Border of Many more Power Mongering Centers Rinliddi, Dara Happa and Pent, brought their Upstart Thinking to Neighborhoods. As Mediterranian Romans to Sophisticated Greeks and Softspeak Semites and Arabics to Exhausted Two Great Empire for existence of Each Other. Byzantines and Sassanoids.
But if I can count on Parallel to Arabic Domain in Glorantha, maybe
Genertela hasn't enough Cleared Area for this Application. My recommendation
is somewhere of Western-South Pent or Jarst, Garsting near Rinliddi, Wareran
Pentans. I think they used Arabic Language in some period of time for our
availability to use "Sultan", "Caliph", "Amir", "Jihad", "Genny", etc....So
City
Blessed Torang can have similarity to Sacred Mecca.... (Another Bad Parallel
to Arabia in Glorantha is Pamaltelan Fonrit, far more-biased "Orient" I
think near to C. S . Lewis' Narnian Southerners...or Beckford "Vatek"?)
As you know, Lunar Empire started from Eastern Border of Carmanian Maximam
Territory of Bull Shahs,
See more in Nick Brooke's Site Carmanian Resources about this topic. We can
see Lunar Empire start unlimitedly from Rinliddi as Army of Arabian Prophet
Muhammed in RW. This parallel starts Islamic Lunar Empire.
We can count on similarity between Zoroasternized Sassanoid Empire and
Christian Greek-Byzantines to Carmanians and Dara Happans. (But, at reverse,
perfectly annexed was rather Dara Happans.) Umayyad Territory has great
Similarity to Former LE before Sheng's Invasion.
In this course, we can catch this line with Change from more
Greekish-Umayyad to more Shiite-Iranized Abbasyd. Abbasyd greatly used
Influence of Shiite Iranians and Local Nobles such as Abu-Muslim and House
of Valmak for founding their Supremacy. (I guess same
Genius in Second Caliph of Abbasyd, Abu Mansur as Lucius Cornelius Sulla,
Caesar of Roman Republic,
Second Emperor of Chinese Tang Dynasty. (IMHO, he is a man with rare ability
who could wield Politic, Finance
and Military at the same time, he could handle both internal and external
threat simultaneously, defeated many different set of enemies) )
If we afford using parallel between Mongolian and Turkish, (and Sheng Seleris was Timur rather than Ghingis Khan.) we can apply Former Empire to Seljuk Turkey and Latter Empire to Ottoman Turkey. I think that is making the Existence of Glamour as RW Constantinople, (But IMHO that image in geographycally is more fit to most Traditional Dara Happan City, Raibanth, and Bagdad is more suitable to her (nymph's) artificiality.)
Of course, we can find another Parallel but distant relate things besides
them, such as
Abd al-Rahman fled from Abbasyd Purge to Iberia as Syranthir fled from GL
Purge to Pelanda. Malkioni has also great similarity to RW Muslims as
Christians and Judaeans, such as Hrestol to Ali, modern Loskalmi Structure
to Islamic Unma
(Community) Zoroasternism is far more older than other Monotheistic
Religion...but Gloranthan Carmanian Religion is younger than another
Malkioni Country if I need not consider about Downfall of GL...
Persian = Carmanian?
Shiite Three Great Sacred Places
I found many interesting and fascinating sites about Persian Culture and
Legends.
(But maybe it is dangerous to use such Materials coming from
Fundamentalistic Iran...Remember about the Satanic Verses...)
Religion of Zoroasternism
http://www.etsu.edu/CAS/HISTORY/zoroast.htm
The Epic of Kings
http://classics.mit.edu/Ferdowsi/kings.html
Iran Saga
http://www.art-arena.com/heroic.htm
Islamic Iran
Islamic Digest online
http://www.islamicdigest.org/poems12.htm
Imam Ali Homepage
http://www.imamali.i12.com/ie/index.htm
Karbala
http://www.irna.com/occasion/moharram/eng/karbh.htm
Al Rida
http://www.al-islam.org/al-rida/
Najaf: Ali ibn Abi Tarib (The Lion of God) 's Grave, he was assassinated by Khaliij Sect, Iraq: South of Bagdad, Southeast of Karbala
Karbala: Husayn (3rd Imam) was tragedically killed here by Umayyad Army,
Iraq: Southwest
of Bagdad
Mashhad: Al-Rida (8th Imam) was dragged into Intrigues in the Empire of Abbasyd, Caliph Mamuhn hope to gain Support of House of Ali, Assassinated by Unknown Power, Iran Border, Southeast of Caspian Sea, East of Tehran
As far as I know, many Shiite Sectional Dynasties related to Histrical Mainline existed even though their minority, 7 Imams Sect and 12 Imams Sect greatly shadowed over Islamic History, Legend about Assassins and Mad Caliph Haqim are most popular examples.
Arabians get used to living with Persian Tales coming from Indian and ancient Iranian Resources, many Persian Poets and Writers appeared in the Golden Age. (Seljuk Turkey?) Arabian Night Tales are such tales, many entered to Middle Age Europe....I should research more about Sufism.
In Middle Asia, Iranian Aryans much intervened early History before Turkes and Mongorians...Sogdian Merchants greatly influenced Commerce and Communication, and lived symbiosis with Nomad Empires as Communicator and Conciliator. They exported strange Religions such as Zoroasternism and Manichaesm. One of their most famous personality served to Chinese Emperor and led a Great Rebellion against Emperor of Tang with Beauty. Ephtal Nomads were Iranian / Turkish Stock, harassed many Empires and took great Territory until they would defeated by Sassanoids and Turkey.
Chinese Influence to Middle Asia:
Sheng Seleris's Image is greatly influenced from the Photocopy of Fortunate
Succession, but that Statuette is made in the period of Tang Dynasty as
Ancient Virtuous God-Emperor Yao...Don't arrogantly dare to think you
conceive aesthetic sense of Ancients...
I mentioned about 2nd Emperor of Tang Dynasty, that Age is most Glorious Day for Chinese Empires. Famous Personalities travelled to Western Land and got back Great Fame and Treasure. At this Age, Last United Kingdom of India before Islam Invasion, existed in Magada as a Successor of Buddhist King Asoka. Harsha Vardhana kept Buddhism because Hinduism doesn't have Power for Unification of Indian Lands...Eventually his kingdom drowned in the Stream of History. Before his death, One Priest visited his Land for Scrolls of Mahayana (Great Vehicle) Sutra.
I haven't see you for a long time...Gian
>Have you ever tried to translate SonGoku legend in
>Gloranthan terms?
Now I can try to analyze and break down the Great Volume of "Tale of
Westfaring"....(What a reckless Trial..)
1) In Real Historical Line
"Why do you mean to desecrate his Sacred Tales into Foolish and Childish
Tales with many Mambo-Jambo? He was a Great Man and went solely for his
Strong Will and Faith. There is no need and space for foolish Monkey!"
He returned back riding over Cloud, he and his three disciples all met to
2nd Emperor of Tang after 13 years. That is not history, that is Legend
coming from Innocent Faith of Populace....
2) Master and Servant Monkey
Read about Rama and Hanuman in the Indian Ramayana. We could add these
resources to Teshnan Legend: Kang Luway and Soravatoor.
3) Rebel against Oppressive Emperor Rule That is not unreasonable Communism China favour this Part of this Story. (but they dislike Latter Part of Tales as Boring and Dogmatic, and ignore
the aspect of (5).) I think I don't need to mention most similar story in Glorantha (O/Y)...And I think I can apply similar story to My version of Pentan Mythology...in Pentan Hell.
4) Pilgrimage
They went Sacred Place and Apotheosized for their Difficult Heroic Deed. I
remember someone want to make similar Story from Teshnos to Dara Happa. And
I planned such tale from Vormain to Loskalm...
5) Alchemistic Term
I have some difficulty to explain about this Aspect...Many Good Guidebooks
were written by Famous Chinese Scholars.
I wrote "Emperor Thaluzni" greatly influenced from this Aspect.
After his Kingdom was destroyed by Locals, one General of Tang Dynasty visited and was attacked by them. But he escaped and received the help of Tibetan Army, defeated them.(It's not well-known history for Japanese and Chinese, as Europians.)
Some Questions:
Who is Hardrinor? (This name appeared in Timeline of Rastalulf's Saga.)
What is goose dance?
Hantrafal and Andrin Old (Godi of Vingkot?), Andrin New (King of Heortland, Zombie King)
I think Arim Tarsh and Sheng Seleris made contract vs Lunar Empire....
Why did TakenEgi, Blue Moon Priestess and Arronius Jaranthir play Ouranekki before Battle of Kitor?
Where is Trickster Temple of Slontos? I think Great Geographycal Change occured besides the simple Sinking of Many Lands and Islands.
Can I expect Connection between Heortling Mythology and Kethaelan Mythology
in the Myth of Celestial Court?
I think 8 Gods about Primal Rune has similarity to Egyptian Tebes Mythology.
They think Orlanth once lived in slopes of Dini...not Kero Fin or Hill of
Gold. Many Centers of World exist in their Mythology...
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