More Grimoires

From: TERRA INCOGNITA <inarsus-ferilt-z_at_mrg.biglobe.ne.jp>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:37:36 +0900


Joerg:
> > Are there any difference between that of Wizards belonging
> > to church and that of Sorcerers who only care with Logic,
> > Praxis and Doxis?
>
> Sure, church wizards would include all kind of religious introductory
> and protective formulas and enblems. Pure logicians might even reduce
> part of their material into algebraic formulations or, in the case of
> alchemy, cooking recipees.
>
> > (Maybe Efendi expects a sort of free
> > symposium between wizards, like very enlightened area like
> > God Learners or modern Sog City....)
>
> Debates using "applied logic", aka magical duels?

No, but I think I made a quick sought about the possibilty that intentional cipher used by insular and secretive Brithini can be translated into Malkioni method attaining to subliminal substance. And about the nature itself of Sorcery Spells, it should be "protected" by many methods, both in outward method (Protective Sorcery and Guardian Entities) and inward method (Against Lhankor Mhy Analyse Feat).

As I said, in a sense, I think West is the antipodal place for Eastern Mysticism. But how about Godlearners who invented new way to write grimoires and howto for Misapplied Worship or Theistic / Animistic existences? Maybe they don't need powerful guardians (because they are powerful enough without it) and cipher for their brithini tutors. (and Efendi tends to be a sympathizer of openness of civilized culture rather than closedness of primitive society.)

>
>
> > 3 How can characters use the same quotations from Abiding
> > Book blessings / cursings as well as spells? (See HW 1st p.199)
>
> Possibly in the form of "since A is X and B is Y, then A thaumed with B
> will result in X effecting Y" or similar formulaic gibberish.
>

Please see my recent post about Hrestol's way (Knights) and Zzabur's way (Sorcerers) to attain Power.

>
> > How far ordinary clergies understand the sentences?
>
> Within the limits of their literacy and philosophy, I suppose. The
> Abiding Book doesn't use an obvious code. Every encrypting would be of
> cabbalistic nature, behind ordinarily readable sentences.
>
> > Or they simply read without understanding of
> > passages as many RW Feudal European catholic priests?
>
> To the Malkioni, the Abiding Book is in the written form of their own
> language (excepting oddities like Aeolians or Valkarists).
>

As far as I know, Abiding Book Original Text was miraculously written by Jrusteli and other many contemporary languages around 646 ST. (So I need not to be worried about the connection between Koran and Arabic, or the trouble at the Tower of Babel.)
http://www.glorantha.com/greg/abidingBook.html And some of contents can be seen in Greg's Revealed Mythologies, but how about the modern Edition of AB?

>
> > 4 What is the Pure Form of Sorcery Spells in sounds and
> > pronunciations? Is it pure sounds of Runes? (See HW 1st p.191)
>
>
>
> > Is it like a sort of Machine Language if I make comparison
> > spell links to Sorcery Plane with downloading files in
> > Internet Access?
>
> Maybe more like operating algorithms which I have to transfer into the
> grimoire while refreshing themselves, i.e. some sort of "alive".

See HW 1st Edition p.218.
<<First, he is tempted by spirits (animism power), then by gods (theistic power), then by the pure and abstract forms of the runes (sorcery power?) themselves. >>

>
> > 7 If I want concrete example like a sort of situation when
> > sorcerers ravaged a church and stole their Grimoire. How can
> > they download alien creed spell links from adept plane?
>
> They have to hack into the Grimoire, beat its encryption.

Maybe you already know what I want. Or I want something impossible from Gloranthan metaphysics.

Recent Greg's comment about Hero Quest:
http://www.glorantha.com/hw/heroquesting.html

So, (the Gateway of) Citadel of Thought and Castle of Logic once existed (or exists) in heroplane, but later heroquesters could not find anymore, and today, even Brithos was lost from the mundane world questers if they try to visit there still in Mundane World. Maybe it is the proof that sorcery effect weakened by the distance for the source. What is the meaning of Zzabur's statement about Solace? (RM p.2) "the material of Malkion the Sacrifice had been spread into the material of the world." Is it a bluff to deceive ignorant pagan beasts? Or he truly believed Malkion was sacrificed for the material world sake? (See RM p.8 Appendix 13)

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