>> Terra Incognita writes: >> I don't know well about the death of "Carmanos" >> cult in the Battle of Four Arrows of Light.
> Nor do I. I do not believe this is something in MY canon.
The reference is to your excellent Zero Wane History, an event at the =
Battle
of the Four Arrows of Light:
http://www.glorantha.com/library/history/hle-0wane.html#four-arrows
: "The Second Arrow was Yanafal Ta'arn'ils, Wargod for the : Empire and Wielder of Fury, who fell first upon the King : of the Carmanian gods. King Karmanos was wounded in the=20 : assault...
When I was working on Carmanian background for you, I interpreted the
"wounding of King Karmanos" at the hands of Yanafal Tarnils (identified =
as
"King" in both appearances) as resulting in the extinction of legitimate
Carmanian royalty: their royal "farr" was snuffed out. Hence the Blood
Kings' Wars, when no rightful claimant to the throne could be found - by
either side - despite half a century and more of campaigning.
I agree that it has no wider effect on the Carmanian Dualist church, =
which
is still doing just fine in the West Reaches.
> It is possible that Idovanus is either a force that is=20
> neither wizardry nor theist, a mystic kind of philosophy.=20
> Alternately, it is possible that TWO ENTITIES are both=20
> worshipped as Idovanus. And it's still possible that it's
> an entity in its own short world.=20
"See the nonsensical cavorting you have to perform to believe in =
'misapplied
worship'?"
Why not just call it "defiant" and have done with it? :-)
> I think that this--Carmanos' true deep insights--is more=20
> important than his sycretization. The latter is more of an=20
> add-on to his true insight.
Utterly agreed. Carmanos was interested in the TRUTH, not in harmonising =
(or
pillaging) belief systems. That his Truth led to the incorporation of =
other
cults into the Carmanian way of life was a by-product. He was *not* a =
God
Learner (or wannabe, or emulator): the Carmanians *despised* the God
Learners.
>> Considering Syranthir's personal misfortune (his missus slept
>> with his brother), the
=20
> Non canon for me, though not rejected by me either. (I just=20
> don't know that tale...)=20
That was my *deliberately* outrageous interpretation of your 0WH:
http://www.glorantha.com/library/history/hle-0wane.html#carmanian-empire
: Syranthir "left home and enemies after being betrayed by his wife and : brother."=20
Sure, there's other ways of being "betrayed", but this had the right =
feel of
legendary depth to me, when I was working on the Syranthir cycle.
>> Ten Thousand might be very skeptical about rights >> based on kinship.
> This is true. Remember that they came form a land that was=20
> more Hrestol-oriented (meritocracy).=20
We'd best agree to differ, here, about how meritocratic the Hrestoli of
Loskalm were in the early Second Age (and indeed are today), as this has =
no
impact on the wider discussion.
Cheers, Nick
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