Vithelans and Kralori

From: TERRA INCOGNITA <inarsus-ferilt-z_at_mrg.biglobe.ne.jp>
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:12:46 +0900


> From: Olli Kantola <newsalor_at_ee.oulu.fi>
> Well, the concept exists in the east in general.

I am not certain as you. :-) More and more we researched about RW materials of metaphysics like Yin and Yang, we struggle more for the coincidence and difference of RW and Glorantha. Yin and Yang is much concept of Confucianism in RW, at it is very mundane and not have much to do with so-called concept of "mysticism" in Glorantha.

> Revealed Mythologies
> mentioned the a ying & yang equivalent, though I can't bring myself to
> remember their names. Maybe they are comparable to the male consiousness
> and female conciousness mentioned in recent orlanthi-books?

Sex, Gender and Duality of Existence are each different concepts. As Greg once said. Pelandans might think they are all same and called them Uleria and Vogmaradan, or as Vithelans, Majadan and Erdires. But we don't know Kralori think same as vithelans. Concerning their patriarchial society like Dara Happans (or RW chinese society) I don't think it is plausible.

> I'm sure that
> we can find space in Kralorela as well. I'm also sure that it matters more
> to the rural population than to the ruling philosofical elite. Mandarins
> may think that division of the world in male and female principles in one
> of the foundations of Illusion.

Maybe they call dragons ultimate substance in the Garden of Temptation. Vithelan might call it "another illusion".

> However, the point of a draconic wisdom is not to wisdom is not to wrap
> yourself in false perceptions, but to transcend the human way of thought
> entirely. Wisdom says that people are beings who can become dragons!

Dragonewts don't think they can become dragons, or at least they don't talk much about dragons formerly Kralori.
Vithelans don't think they want to become dragons by their mystical practice, or at least I don't think their Liberation has much to do with dragons or big lizards hibernating in north continent.

>
> I'm sure that there are all sorts of pseudo-mystical traditions that may
> help you if you need your fortune told and there must also be thousands
> of people willing to take benefit from the gullibility of simple folk. I'm
> sure that the gender principles (I still can't remember their names) are
> very important to several cult etc., but as far as the dragon-mystics are
> concerned, they aren't that important except as a way to classify the
> illusionary nature of the world.

Recently, Greg talked about the difficulty to achieve Mystical Liberation for ordinary people, and many of eastern people invented many substitutional metod to achieve Liberation without such difficulty, like VenForn practice, Austerity, Martial Art, etc....Kralori chose Magico-Centralized Nation under Dragon-Emperor=Bodhisattiva. He will lead poor populace to achieve Summer Land without any Mystical Discipline. I think these are all condemned by orthodox mysticism like Mashunasan. Each of mystical sects blame against others for their practice is false and meaningless, etc....

>
> Remember that you can use the Kralori calender as a example of the rich
> traditions of that great country. It is also mentined in HW that the
> kralori have a runic system that rivals the system developed in the Holy
> Country as a synthesis of local, orlanthi and godlearner systems.

Yes, and they have perfectly different set of Calendar, Astrology, etc.....I think.

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