From: RuneQuest-Request@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM (RQ Digest Maintainer) To: RuneQuest@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM (Daily automated RQ-Digest) Subject: RuneQuest Daily, Fri, 01 Oct 1993, part 2 Reply-To: RuneQuest@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM (RuneQuest Daily) Sender: RuneQuest-Request@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM Precedence: junk The RuneQuest Daily and RuneQuest Digest deal with the subjects of Avalon Hill's RPG and Greg Stafford's world of Glorantha. Send submissions and followup to "RuneQuest@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM", they will automatically be included in a next issue. Try to change the Subject: line from the default Re: RuneQuest Daily... on replying. Selected articles may also appear in a regular Digest. If you want to submit articles to the Digest only, contact the editor at RuneQuest-Digest-Editor@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM. Send enquiries and Subscription Requests to the editor: RuneQuest-Request@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM (Henk Langeveld) --------------------- From: f6ri@midway.uchicago.edu (charles gregory fried) Subject: more on cult affiliation Message-ID:Date: 30 Sep 93 16:39:12 GMT X-RQ-ID: 1882 GF back again, with some more thoughts on cults. I'm afraid I forget who it was, but someone made some good points about how it's reasonable to think that most people get initiated into the worship of a pantheon of gods, not into the cult of a single deity. This certainly accords with my sense of religious practice in ancient Greece, or even modern India. There WERE, or ARE, special devotees to certain gods: Odysseus had a special rleationship to Athena; Hindu militants in contemporary India get worked up about the god Ram. In RQ terms, many of the PC types would be just this sort of special devotee to a certain god -- an 'initiate' in RQ terms. But s/he wouldn't HAVE to be.... So what would this initiation into a pantheon imply in game terms? Perhaps a broader, but less certain and more 'expensive' access to divine magic, for one thing. I can think of two models off hand from Homeric literature. A) Before undertaking some action, you sacrifice to the appropriate god, say, to Poseidon if you plan on a sea journey. Perhaps an initiate into the 'Orlanth' pantheon, knowing he was going to fight broo, could sacrifice to Urox and get a one use Face Chaos, or the like. B) You're already in a pickle, and you appeal to the appropriate god, promising great sacrifice later. In RQ, this might mean getting a rune spell through divine intervention, that is paid for with POW and big contributions later to the god's temple (or suffer attacks from spirits of reprisal!). (Note: propitiatory intiation into a cult like Malia already works somewhat like this.) The question is, of course, how broad is the scope of your pantheon? In KoS, the Orlanth Pantheon includes some 125 deities! There are sub-pantheons in meta-pantheons (eg, the Earth goddesses in the Orlanth pantheon). Should there be rules for these nuances? How about this: as an initiate to a meta-pantheon, you can only get one-use divine magic. As an initiate in a sub-pantheon, your rune magic can 'evolve' with you (as was discussed here in the example of a Voria girl who becomes a Barbeester Gor follower). As an initiate to a particular god, you get to use the RunePower system, whereby you can cast any of your god's divine magic with the Rune Points you have sacrificed. All this makes me think: Did Stafford initially envision cult participation in the way that it functions in the present RQ3 game system? Or is the-initiate-of-one-god thing a game-system accretion? In contrast to everything I have said above, there may be something special about the gods in Glorantha that DEMANDS the sort of radical one-on-one identification of cultist and deity. One thing that pops into mind is that the gods of Glorantha (most of them), because they stand outside of Time, need worshipers who will embody them and act on their behalf. Casual worships like those I describe would supply the god with needed POW, but would not serve as reliable proxies for the god in Time. Still, I think this can work with the idea I presented. Most worshipers serve to support a temple and supply the god with POW; only a few serve as true avatars of the deity. Comments and flames? GF out. --------------------- From: glidedw@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Godzilla's Home Boy) Subject: chaos, Lunars, and others Message-ID: Date: 30 Sep 93 10:58:47 GMT X-RQ-ID: 1883 I have heard from a friend of Greg Stafford's and confirmed myself, that the LBQ is the creation of the multiverse. chaos gods exist in the matrice between the cosmoses, of the omniverse. Elric and Glorantha exist in relation to each other. Every GM is expected to alter the rules, to make it work for him or herself. With this, the GM and party make a new universe. There are oo -1 Gloranthas out there. where's yours? :)