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From: CHEN190@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Peter Metcalfe, CAPE Canty)
Subject: The Blue Wizard switches bodies
Message-ID: <01HG59JDSJUQECZKY2@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>
Date: 21 Aug 94 09:37:13 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 5794

Lords of the Runes
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Jonas admits my correction on Annilla's runes but says that s few other people
have cited an older moon diety.

This is of course Entekos who is according to according to Mr P. in the Gods
wall at postion II-1.  In a commentary he cites her as Goddess of Calm, Lady of
the Summer air, Mother of Moons and Queen of the Air.  As is obvious to people
with a faction of God Learnerism, this is in fact Molanni Calm Air.  Since
Annilla was already old before Murharzarm was crowned and Umath young at this
time, I do not believe that Molanni (Umaths granddaughter via Vadrus) really is
the mother of moons.

This is not to say that there is a Pelorian mother of moons; in Annilla's case
however her mother was (originally) Nakala and later on, herself.  I do admit
the possibility that the Red Goddess was in fact the original holder of the
rune before she was broken and that being raised gives her the doubled moon
rune.  In any case, we will have to wait for the Lunar Book (any idea on its
title, people?) for the answer to be settled.

As for Jonas's last question, I believe on information contained in Digest
vol8, that the runes are actually god learner constructs invented by the evil
fools themselves as shorthand to explain what they saw using the Runequest
sight.  I know it is stated that the Doraddi and the Kralori in fact had their
own runes and the Gods Wall gives Lodril a single rune as opposed to the two
runes we would use to describe Lodril so I think that the Pelorians used a
indigenous system before being flooded by the EWF and/or the Carmanians.

As for the Runes of Gorgorma (myself asked what they were, damn and blast these
pesky god learners!), the darkness rune with the bar through it is shadow as
stated in the Moorgarki/Qualyorni write up in Troll Gods whereas the Filled in
Earth Rune actually represents Malign Earth as shown by Maran Gor who has this
rune, her cult is written up in ToTRM #6.  Grogorma, I have assumed carries the
Dragonpower rune which I believe to be invented by the Emperor Daruda.

Hyenas
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Someone (I forget who) was looking to hard at the pictures in Nomad Gods and
wondered whether Gloranthan Hyenas were man/hyenas or more like real world
hyenas.  Sandy did a write up of the ten tribes of prax in one of the digests.  
there it is stated that a hyena is used by the Morokanth as an analogue to the
dog whom the Morokanth don't like and vice versa.  So we can safely assume that
the gloranthan hyena is actually remarkably similar to its RW counterpart and
that the picture of Hyena in Nomad Gods was that of the Hyena God.

However, RW hyenas are quite unusal in their own way.  The female of the
species has some interesting anatomical features that I shall not discuss in
this family orientated mailing list (except to say it's related to sex organs).
Interested readers may instead refer to Scientific American which contains an
article involving Hyenas (along with photographs) which was published at the
most a year ago (I love to give you the exact reference, but the library is
shut at the moment).  I bring this up mainly because I have now realized why
those Gray Sages had difficulty in observing 'that rarity' a female broo even
though RoC states that it makes up 15% of the Broo population.

Cheers

Peter Metcalfe (aka Blue Wizard)
 

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From: sandyp@idcube.idsoftware.com (Sandy Petersen)
Subject: Re: RuneQuest Daily, Sat, 20 Aug 1994
Message-ID: <9408201847.AA07743@idcube.idsoftware.com>
Date: 20 Aug 94 06:47:39 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 5795

David Cake:
>But fear not, the Great David Switch can still go ahead - I believe
>the appropriate Davids are Hall and Gadbois, both distribute TOTRM,  
>and Mr Gadbois is the American resident, so the Great David Switch  
>should have no problem in making him the editor as well.
	A brilliant solution. David Cake should be commended for his  
selfless contribution to this plan, especially as he himself will  
probably prove to be one of the infamous False Davids, with no basis  
in reality, and hence his functions may be completely subsumed by one  
of the other Davids. 


Klaus:
>BTW why do Americans call the elk "moose"?
	I give up. Why do English call the Moose "elk", when the  
wapiti is obviously the One True Elk. "Red Deer", indeed. *scoff* I  
also think that Europeans should rename the creature that they  
miscall a "badger", since it is not the same species as the One True  
Badger, though clearly a close relative. 


Jonas Schiott
>you english-speakers have compounded the problem by giving them  
>[moose] a goofy name as well.
	Damn straight. I don't regard this as compounding the  
problem, but as fitting the punishment to the crime. 


>just as I suspected: it's an American thing.  

	Being an "American thing" is, of course, Powerful Evidence of  
the subject under consideration being completely wrong-headed, but is  
not proof positive. 


>I couldn't find hyenas in the Gloranthan bestiary.
	They're in the Prax Bestiary. No doubt everyone is hankering  
after stats for 'em, so here goes:

characteristic	average
STR	2d6+6	13
CON	3d6	10-11
SIZ	2d6+6	13
INT	5	5
POW	3d6	10-11
DEX	2d6+6	13
Move 	7
Avg. Hit Pts: 12
Armor: 2 pt fur

weapon	SR	attk%	damage
bite	8	40+0	1d8+1d4
NOTE: once a hyena hits with its bite, it can choose to hang on and  
keep biting the same location each round. Keep rerolling the attack%  
to see if the hyena gets a critical, but it automatically retains its  
grip and keeps doing damage unless it rolls a fumble. 


Gloranthan Hyenas are like the earth types. In Genertela, they live  
in Prax, the Wastes, and Pent. There are also hyenas in Pamaltela.  
Hyenas hunt in packs at night, but are happy to scavenge, and usually  
a gang of hyenas follows a few miles behind any Praxian clan. 

	In combat, hyenas often go for aimed blows at their enemy's  
legs, trying to crush the leg bones and force them down. 

	"Hyena", the spirit being, is somewhat humanoid in shape,  
with a hyena's head and hairy body. He is not hostile, but is rather  
disgusting. 


 Peter (now conveniently combined) asks:
>Can anyone tell me what the runes for Gogorma (GoG) are called?
	Shadow and Earth. There are, of course, two Earth Runes, one  
representing the Earth (benign) and the other the Earth (malign).  
Gorgorma has the malign variety. 


Dave Dunham:
>We know there are Gloranthan dogs, wolves, and hyenas. Are there  
>coyotes?
	Since most of Genertela is, of course, like unto North  
American during the Pleistocene despite the annoyingly European human  
cultures, I would assume that there are coyotes. There's room for  
them in the Wastes, Pent, the Kingdom of Ignorance, and anywhere else  
that wolves may not thrive. I assume there's porcupines and we know  
there's skunks (because of the requirement that Skunk Hsunchen ambush  
the party someday). Heck, there's probably rattlesnakes. 

	However, I believe that the Genertelan bear is not the  
American black bear, but the European brown bear, Ursus arctos (same  
species as American grizzly). There might be some smaller bears in  
Teshnos or southern Kralorela, but they're probably sun bears, not  
black bears. 


Tim Minas
>How come, if the priest in CoP was Etyries, he had to fulfil an  
>Issaries curse?
	The cult of Etyries and the cult of Issaries are exceedingly  
similar in structure and mythos. They were even MORE alike before I  
developed the cult of Etyries for GoG ;) But I can think of two  
reasons for an Etyries cult requirement to fulfill the reconstruction  
of Genert. (A) Etyries is a daughter of Issaries, and her priests  
inherit most of his strictures. (B) Etyries has knowingly taken upon  
herself the particular quest to restore Genert, for if Genert is  
fixed by HER priests, then that will be proof that she is Garzeen's  
real deity, not that dumb ol' Issaries, and the Lightbringer cult  
will be shaken to the core. 





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From: Argrath@aol.com
Subject: Six Million Lunar Man
Message-ID: <9408202220.tn11354@aol.com>
Date: 21 Aug 94 02:20:41 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 5796

Bob Luckin says:
>We have the hyenas - we can rebuild him 
I don't know when I've laughed so long--thanks for making my day!

Klaus asks: 
>BTW why do Americans call the elk "moose"? 

It's from an Algonquian word meaning "he strips or eats off (trees and
shrubs)."  "Wapiti" is a Shawnee word meaning "white rump."  "Elk" is from
the Old English.  While these are all woody words, not the least bit tinny,
they are not as woody as "caribou."

Klaus goes on to say:
>Are you saying that the spell should work on one acre, rather 
>than the land a man can plow in a day, or that a man can plow an
>acre in a day? 

The term "acre" originally was rather fuzzy, and meant precisely the land a
man could plow in a day.  This is the way the term is properly understood in
the Bless Crops spell, rather than as 43,560 square feet.  Surveying was very
fuzzy in pre-modern Europe, and even into the twentieth century.  Land
boundaries were defined in deeds by descriptions like "Starting from an elm
in
the line of the land which Jack Smith died seized of, proceeding in a
northerly direction to a pile of rocks on the bank of the South Branch,
thence with the meanderings of the stream in a westerly direction thirty
paces, ..."  Surveying is still pretty damn fuzzy--just this week I
discovered a non-existent parcel (vapor dirt?).

>In the latter case I find your calculations difficult to 
>believe. 

Believe it.  

T.J. Minas says:
>   Second up: Rune spell renewal. A couple of related points here, first,
> Sanctify. Like all Ritual spells, this lasts 1 hr/pt, ...

Would you care to provide a citation to support this statement?  Axis Mundi
is specifically a 1 hour duration, but then again it's a Summoning spell, not
Ceremony.  I'm not aware of any rule that states a duration for Sanctify or
its cousin Worship (Deity).  In any case, your treatment of sanctified space
as holy to the deity even after the spell runs out is a distinction without a
difference: if the area is still holy, the Sanctify is still having an
effect.

--Martin



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From: MOBTOTRM@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: The David Swap
Message-ID: <01HG65TP80YK8ZE39V@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>
Date: 21 Aug 94 22:28:40 GMT
X-RQ-ID: 5797

G'day all,

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Bless Crops

Klaus writes:

>In Sun County farmers are not tempted to move the stones marking the
>borders of their fields (to steal a bit of land from their neighbours),
>since that would dispell their Bless Crops spells. This must mean that
>a very large number of fields, probably all, are blessed. 

Ah, probably. Maybe these stones are something like matrixes, which 
amplify the effect across the County, a bit like a power grid system.  Just
before the planting, maybe all the Ernalda Priestesses get together on
Summons Hill just outside the temple and perform the ceremony, sending 
their Blessing through the Earth in all directions (some sort of cheesy
special effect is in order here).

Note that there has been a rumour going around lately of a "great
treasure" under one of the farmstones, which threatens to lead to an
agricultural disaster as farmers and other treasure-seekers are tempted 
to peek underneath (see SUN COUNTY and, in particular, the Jaxarte
story and Rabbit Hat Farm for more details).

>It also means that Yelmalion society is not very trusting of the 
>honesty of farmers.

You bet.  


___________________________
The Red Emperor's Body Hair

>No, [Yosemite] Sam is far too hairy to be the Red Emperor.  The princess 
>in MOB's Lunar Coders, from Strangers in Prax, suggest that the Red
>Emperor is hairless.  He is, therefore, Elmer Fudd.

Ah, but Anderida (a great-great grand-daughter of the Red Emperor) is
descended from an earlier Emperor, maybe even the original (pre-Sheng)
one.  I know the current Emperor is into bodily depilation, perhaps to
fit the stylised image everyone expects.  However, I suspect he has a
luxuriant head of hair, and, I'm sure, mutton-chop sideburns.

If the original emperor was indeed Elmer Fudd, he would be known to one
and all as the "Wed Emperwor".

>An Australian-made cartoon series, King Arthur and His Square Knights of
>the Round Table, may serve for the West.  MOB may remember this from his
>childhood.

It was Australian?  This is not a good advertisement for the quality of
early 70's Aussie animation!  I have vague memories of it, but was more 
fixated with the Thunderbirds when I was of that age (one of the first 
great shocks of my life was seeing the strings when I was about 5).

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The David Switch

Sandy Discovers:
>I've now discovered (via Henk) that David Cake lives in Oz. I now  
>must argue strenuously against my earlier proposed switch of Cake and  
>Hall, because relocating TotRM to Oz would be harmful to American  
>interests. 

Too late, Sandy!  Reaching Moon Megacorp's tentacles extend even unto
the land Down Under, and at least three issues of Tales have originated
from here.  In keeping with the journalistic standards of Rupert 
Murdoch*, it was us who brought you the Page 3 Dryad (issue #4) and the
depraved cover of issue #8 (expurgated for our prudish American readers).

*Rupert Murdoch, ex-Australian media magnate and now US citizen, owner
of such quality papers as "The Sun" (UK) and "The Picture" (Aus), famous
for its annual $10,000 "Match the Nude Models' Faces to Their Bums"
competition.



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