From: RuneQuest-Request@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM (RQ Digest Maintainer) To: RuneQuest@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM (Daily automated RQ-Digest) Reply-To: RuneQuest@Glorantha.Holland.Sun.COM (RuneQuest Daily) Subject: RuneQuest Daily, Wed, 24 Aug 1994, part 2 Sender: Henk.Langeveld@Holland.Sun.COM Content-Return: Prohibited Precedence: junk --------------------- From: igorlick@bnr.ca (ian i. gorlick) Subject: Hazia revisited Message-ID: <_29996_Tue_Aug_23_12:53:06_1994_@bnr.ca> Date: 23 Aug 94 08:52:00 GMT X-RQ-ID: 5834 There was some discussion a while back about the introduction of hazia as a plot device in Glorantha. I hope people won't be bored by revisiting such an old topic. Here are my thoughts about hazia. Hazia Cultivation in Sun County Hazia is not native to Sun County and the Zola Fel, and it can not survive there without human cultivation. However, with cultivation and irrigation, it does very well and achieves yields that it never could in its native forests. Hazia has been cultivated in Sun County for centuries. The current total prohibitions are fairly recent. Originally instated by Varthanis at Lunar request, they have not been repealed by Solanthos because he personally detests any form of self-indulgence. Solanthos has actually toughened the enforcement of these laws. This suits his own temperament and also allows him to tell the Lunars that he is cooperating with their Armistice commission. The traditional laws against the cultivation of hazia were only intended to prevent farmers from growing too much hazia as a cash crop as this practice could jeopardize the self-sufficiency of Sun County communities. Everyone is expected to plant their main fields with food-crops, mostly grains. Smaller garden plots could and did contain hazia, tobacco, cannabis, and poppy. Cannabis and poppy were grown for fibre and seeds, respectively, in addition to their narcotic value. Tobacco and hazia were grown exclusively as recreational pharmaceuticals. As long as people did not grow excessive quantities of these drugs, no laws were broken. Even today, despite Solanthos' interpretation of the law, most households in the county have a few of these plants in their kitchen garden and the local authorities take no action against them. The nature of Hazia The drug hazia has been described as the stamens of certain flowers native to the Stinking Forest. Some adventures have suggested that bales of hazia are being exported from small villages near the Zola Fel. The entire crop of a good saffron field will fit in a small bowl. The bales of export hazia can not be just the stamens. The stamens of hazia are the most potent and most valuable drug that the plants produce. The flowers are the second most, two grades of flowers exist: those with stamens still in and those with stamens already removed. The leaves and stems of the hazia are the lowest grade of drug it produces. A large scale hazia farming operation can produce bales of leaves, bags of flowers, and pouches of stamens. The stamens are the traditional form of the drug in most of Genertela. These were the only portions sufficiently valuable to be traded far from the Stinking Forest. A few stamens contain as much drug as a few pipefulls of leaves. Furthermore the stamens burn completely in only one long drag on a pipe, giving a much more intense rush. The 64,000 Wheel question: Why did the Lunars make Hazia Illegal? Here is my thesis: Hazia has been a rare and expensive drug in the Lunar Empire for centuries. As long as the only source was the Stinking Forest no large quantities were available and no problem was perceived. After the Lunar conquest of Prax much larger quantities were available from Sun County and the rest of the Zola Fel. This was sought out as a prestige drug back in the Empire by the Imperials in the region. They shipped much of it back and many developed serious dependencies on the drug. The sudden new influx of large quantities of the drug created a perception of a larger problem than really existed, the productivity losses due to alcohol consumption were and are larger than the losses due to hazia. The first regulations passed against it were internal policies by some members of the bureaucracy who found their subordinates being less productive because of hazia consumption. These first regulations were ineffective, and only lead to the affected users seeking out surreptitious sources of the drug. This lead them into contact with those ultimate suppliers of all things forbidden, the cult of Krarsht. Some unknown Krarshti had a brilliant inspiration for an entire new criminal industry. The cult leant secret aid and influence to the senior bureaucrats who wanted to ban the drug from the bureaucracy. It encouraged them to seek an Imperial edict banning the drug entirely. Between the honest men who thought the ban was a good thing and the corrupt ones working knowingly for Krarsht, the Emperor was convinced and the edict was granted. Now all the legal sources of the drug dried up and the addicts throughout the Empire had to get their supplies elsewhere. Most of these were controlled by Krarsht. The Krarshti have always been involved in smuggling, now they added hazia to the substances they moved through the Empire. The price of hazia in the Empire shot up, all that money now went to Krarsht. Honest people who might not be bought by money might fall to addiction. Important people with addictions were encouraged to defray the cost of their habit by selling to their friends and colleagues, and Krarsht's influence expanded. The effect of the ban was to provide the cult of Krarsht with an effective monopoly on supply and huge price supports for this highly addictive substance. Thus a small social problem has been elevated to a social and criminal disaster. The big question now is: How long will it take the Empire to realize what a serious mistake it has made? The second question is: How long after that will it take for them to admit that they made a serious mistake? ????????????????????????????????????? --------------------- From: igorlick@bnr.ca (ian i. gorlick) Subject: Moose Message-ID: <_135_Tue_Aug_23_12:53:42_1994_@bnr.ca> Date: 23 Aug 94 08:53:00 GMT X-RQ-ID: 5835 For those of you who are having trouble with the notion of moose riders, may I suggest a novel by Sterling E. Lanier titled "Hiero's Journey". (There is at least one more book in the series, but the first is best IMO.) Hiero's steed is a specially bred bull moose who is a devastating weapon in battle. The book has some weak points but some of the imagery is great. Maybe it will help you think of moose without giggling. klaus@diku.dk in X-RQ-ID: 5773Date: 21 Aug 94 14:34:40 GMT X-RQ-ID: 5836 All RQ Daily that I recieve are now available on Mac Tel BBS (0602-455444) in the UK, in the cultural/games/fun conference area. If you have access take a look, leave a message, if you don't then I can recommend this BBS as one of the best (it's using the FirstClass interface). ps. To all those who I gave my internet address as bane@iconex.mactel.org - it isn't - sorry! It's Phil_Dexter@iconex.mactel.org ============================== * from Mactel Iconex - Operating from Nottingham UK * Voice Tel 0602-455077 BBS Tel 0602-455444 Fax Tel 0602-455121 * Reply via Internet ----> users_name@iconex.mactel.org * The views expressed in this posting are those of the author only ============================== --------------------- From: imlac@bu.edu (Eric Johnson-DeBaufre) Subject: Forthcoming RuneQuest Message-ID: <9408231938.AA02563@yelm.Holland.Sun.COM> Date: 23 Aug 94 20:38:37 GMT X-RQ-ID: 5837 Recently, I was leafing through a copy of the latest issue of White Wolf and noticed an ad for a new RQ product called Lords of Terror. It appears to be an updated version of Cults of Terror, and looks as if it will be a terrific and long overdue addition to RuneQuest. Does anyone have any information on when this will be available, as well as any info on any new releases for Runequest? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eric Johnson-DeBaufre "He who has nothing external that can divert Boston University him, must find pleasure in his own thoughts, (imlac@acs.bu.edu) and must conceive himself what he is not; for who is pleased with what he is?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --------------------- From: SMITHH@A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Harald Smith 617 726-2172) Subject: arcos valley and cosmos Message-ID: <01HG981UG3Y8RLY0Q5@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> Date: 23 Aug 94 11:49:00 GMT X-RQ-ID: 5838 - The Blue Wizard responds on my Arcos River question. Thanks for reminding me about H'har As Jing. I forgot about it. And it does seem to fit the general pattern below. Z arkos Dzhar st ing H har astzhing (using a tzh for the j sound) - Joerg follows this same question up with a lot of good information that I had not seen before. The area covering Rinliddi, Jarst, Garsting, the Hungry Plateau and the Jord Mountains sounds like something that would have left some interesting traces. Perhaps this was overthrown by the Sable Riders (or was this ruled by the Sable Riders if they were already present)? I would surmise an Old Rinliddic, precursor of the Pelorian Farmer language of Rinliddic, with much closer likes to Jarstic. I would similarly think of an Old Kostaddic on the Oslir side of the Jord Mountains which might also be related (especially if the rulers of the Jord Mountains/Hungry Plateau were forced down from the highlands or descended into empty land after the Dragonkill War). As for Balazar, Griffin Mountain says he came from the northwest with his cult of Yelmalio in 1082. Vanch is probable. Of course, his name may not have been BalaZar at that time. The Zar may be a title/addition to affiliate himself more closely with the natives. Darjeeb does seem to be positioned correctly to be at least on the site of Senthoros. The entire legend of Ovosto, son of Gerendetho and steward of Senthoros, suggests that Dara Happan goods were sent there in exchange for food and even that Ovosto ruled the empire (or part of it). Perhaps Ovosto started the transformation of the name Zarkos. Any thoughts on the Garstingian city of Poralals or the cities on the Elf Sea later sacked by the southern prong of Sheng Seleris' invasion? - Joerg on the cosmos I like the images of earth/sea creatures on the bottom of the lozenge, as well as downward or sideways growing volcanoes. I think it is appropriate that Dayzatar and his minions face the chaos with Truth--it does imply an inner mysticism and enlightenment. I might suggest that the impact of chaos and truth is a release from the cycles of life and death to become a seed perhaps for another universe. Of course, chaos could also turn the truth to illusion or simply annihilate it. --Harald --------------------- From: jjm@zycor.lgc.com (johnjmedway) Subject: The David Switch Message-ID: <9408232114.AA22664@hp0.zycor.lgc.com> Date: 23 Aug 94 21:14:23 GMT X-RQ-ID: 5839 >> From: Bob.Luckin@tiuk.ti.com >> Subject: Memory like a seive >> X-RQ-ID: 5774 ... >> Nice idea ! But wait until next April before you try the David Hall/Cake >> switch (that's when I'm due to transfer to Dallas). You'd also have to >> be careful an opposing group didn't try to meddle and substitute another >> David, or you could end up, say, switching Cheng with Gadbois instead... WHOA! The latter would be tragic. Who'd I drink with? Cheng would just laugh at me stumbling around (justifiably, I'll admit). With Gadbois, at least I get to point and laugh at him too! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | john_medway@zycor.lgc.com | Landmark Graphics Corp | 512.292.2325 | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | "We are, after all, professionals." - Hunter S. Thompson | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- From: scotty@olivia.cedar-rapids.ia.us (Scott Haney) Subject: Re: RuneQuest Daily, Tue, 23 Aug 1994, part 2 Message-ID: <9408232221.AA0013c@olivia.cedar-rapids.ia.us> Date: 23 Aug 94 22:21:27 GMT X-RQ-ID: 5840 & > I DEMAND Moose Hsunchen in my campaign. I just don't want 'em hello! I am Baron von Moosehsunchen, and I have just had the most amazing adventure..... --------------------- From: sstair@cs.utep.edu Subject: Orlanth's Darkwalk Message-ID: <9408240024.AA08984@cs.utep.edu> Date: 24 Aug 94 00:24:18 GMT X-RQ-ID: 5841 Keith wrote: > On to another point, I would like to throw a question into the arena >for debate. In all available sources to me (i.e. RQ2, Trollpack, CoP, CoT, > original rulebook, and RQ3 GoG, Trollpack, Trollgods, etc.) Orlanth is >given the spell of Darkwalk (which confers invisibilty AND silence), which >all sources state he stole from Kyger Litor. Although Kyger Litor has no >such spell, Argan Argar does. How does one account for this???? Also, in >RQ3 the only god which confers an invisibilty-type spell is Annilla ( the >spell is Conceal). > Any, explanations would be helpful. It seems to me that since when Yelmalio's Heat powers were stolen, he lost them (he now has light w/o heat), it makes sense that Kitty Litter HAD Darkwalk but lost it when Orlanth took it. Steve Stair --------------------- From: guy.hoyle@chrysalis.org Subject: OFFLINE READE Message-ID: <9408240001.0010500@chrysalis.org> Date: 23 Aug 94 22:01:11 GMT X-RQ-ID: 5842 This isn't about Glorantha or RQ, but it does have something to do with how I get the Daily. When I get the RQD, it's usually broken down into 25k chunks, which I download in a QWK packet with my other mail. I want to be able to use an offline mail reader (OLR) to read and reply to the Digest, but I can't seem to find one with this capability. I'm currently using the SLMR v2.1. How do the rest of you read the Daily? What programs or techniques? I hesitate to use space on the Daily to discuss this, so please feel free to contact me at guy.hoyle@chrysalis.org GUY HOYLE aka Fido Two-Big-Clubs PS Sandy, I ran into someone on RED OCTOBER who says that Sean Summers is in his campaign! I'm sure he'd want to say Hi! --------------------- From: 100270.337@compuserve.com (Nick Brooke) Subject: Entekos Message-ID: <940824064638_100270.337_BHL26-1@CompuServe.COM> Date: 24 Aug 94 06:46:38 GMT X-RQ-ID: 5843 _______________ Peter Metcalfe: > This is of course Entekos who is according to Mr P. in the Gods wall at > postion II-1. In a commentary he cites her as Goddess of Calm, Lady of > the Summer Air, Mother of Moons and Queen of the Air. As is obvious to > people with a faction of God Learnerism, this is in fact Molanni Calm > Air. Since Annilla was already old before Murharzarm was crowned and > Umath young at this time, I do not believe that Molanni (Umaths grand- > daughter via Vadrus) really is the mother of moons. Once again the bollockly nature of God Learnerism is displayed. Entekos has four titles; for no good reason, the Blue Wizard promotes "Calm Air" above "Mother of Moons", then uses the spurious identity he has created ("Entekos IS Molanni") to reduce her interesting powers. Let's see who has the last laugh... Plentonius knew of Molanni: cf. GRAY p.10. And, remind me again of the difference between (sequential) Time and (non- sequential) Godtime, Big Blue. > In any case, we will have to wait for the Lunar Book (any idea on its > title, people?) for the answer to be settled. Greg mentioned calling it "The Masks of the Goddess" a while back. > I think that the Pelorians used a indigenous [runic/symbolic] system > before being flooded by the EWF and/or the Carmanians. Agreed. But the Carmanians are unlikely to be bearers of God Learnerism, given their antecedents. They could have brought pre-God Learner Western Runes (if such things existed), I suppose. Maybe Peloria is still to some extent "virgin soil" (in the runic field as elsewhere): the runes could be recognisable but not explicit in local symbolism. ______ Joerg: > There aren't any temple defenses [in "Dragon Pass"] either, although I > feel that temples ought to have immobile spirits as temple defenses. > Something along the lines X - X - 8 - 0 in DP terms. Or maybe allow any unit stacked in its own temple to use DSM (or double any DSM they already possess)? Creates more tactics, fewer counters... ____________ Keith Smith: > Orlanth is given the spell of Darkwalk (which confers invisibilty AND > silence), which all sources state he stole from Kyger Litor. Although > Kyger Litor has no such spell, Argan Argar does. How does one account > for this???? Simple, really. If I steal your wallet from you, then you will no longer possess your wallet. Look at Zorak Zoran and Yelmalio for more of the same. ==== Nick ==== --------------------- From: henkl@aft-ms (Henk Langeveld - Sun Nederland) Subject: Aaaaaaarrrrrgghhhh..... Message-ID: <9408240711.AA03686@yelm.Holland.Sun.COM> Date: 24 Aug 94 08:11:37 GMT X-RQ-ID: 5844 Scott Haney: >hello! I am Baron von Moosehsunchen, and I have just had the most >amazing adventure..... -- Henk | Henk.Langeveld@Sun.COM - Disclaimer: I don't speak for Sun. oK[] | Single Point of Change, Multiple Points of Reference