Re: Saint veneration and 'spiritual pollution'

From: Roderick and Ellen Robertson <rjremr_at_...>
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:17:09 -0800


> I read with great interest the thread on the benedictions and curses
> done by liturgists. I accept wholly this idea of spiritual pollution
> caused by benedictions on pagans, but this raises a lot of questions
> (for me):

Note that I mentioned the pollution was *on the target* of the Blesing, not the caster. An Orlanthi who wants and gets a blessing is going to be polluted. The pollution of the caster was added by others. This was also specifically for Liturgical Magic - where you have to be part of the congregation to recieve the benefit of the Blessing.

> - I hope this is not to be generalized to any kind of beneficient
> sorcery praticed on non-Malkioni ? I'm thinking particularly about
> healing magic done on a pagan (IMG, one of the PCs is a member of the
> Purple Cross, a malkioni order created to help victims of war, and he is
> working in the Holy Country under pharaonic laws of religious freedom).

Does the Order have a specific spell or set of spells to "Heal the Pagan"? If so, then obviously the Purple Cross can work with pagans without spiritual pollution (or they have rituals that can clear that particular pollution away pretty easily). Since this is not an official order that we have rules to worry about or look up, it is plausible that they have such a spell - You're the narrator.

> - What about the Aeolian Church ? If a congregation following Saint Aeol
> tries to give a benediction on a group of Urox initiates, to help them
> fight the Chaos in the Queendom of Jab, does this give a nasty backslash
> to everyone ?

The Aeolian church has its own Order (St. Taurox) to fight Chaos. *Except* for the followers of St Taurox Storm Bullies and Uroxi are stinking pagans and heathens and shouldn't be dealt with. St. Taurox recognizes them as fellow chaos fighters (and when a follower learns the Secret, he can learn Feats or gain Spirits, but then, Da Bull (Urox, Sorm Bull and Taurox) is a wacko). It should be noted that St. Taurox is Misapplied worship, just as the rest of the Aeolian church...

>The problem is the same for an Orlanth Devotee trying to
> use his magic to protect a Healer of Saint Chalana, the White Lady...
> This can be reformulated as : what is the most important, rule-wise, the
> being which is worshipped or the way it is worshipped, by what type of
> magic, I mean ?

Theists don't have the same sort of magic - the priests might get annoyed at the person who heals a soul-less foreign sorcerer, but the god probably won't care. Especially among the Heortlings where you are responsible for your own actions. The Soul-less Sorcerer, on the other hand, might indeed feel (or be) polluted.

> - What about the Lunar Empire ? Does a congregation worshipping a
> sorcerous saint or a sorcerous facet of the Goddess if there is one
> (can't remember, but there must be one) have problems with benedictions
> on a Lunar citizen worshipping a theist part of the Goddess ?

The Lunars are so wacked I won't even touch it! Every answer is right (and every answer is wrong)

> What a Carmanian liturgist (if there is an equivalent) consider pagan,
> acceptable, or spiritually polluting ?

I'm not an expert on the Carmanians and their religion by any stretch of the imagination, so I'll let someone else answer the question.

RR

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