Re: Cementing vs. learning.

From: gamartin_at_...
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:03:11 -0000

> > gaining oif a new technique in an old skill is not dignificant to
the
> > narrative either.
>
> I don't think you did "point out" such a thing, nor do I think it's
> true.

I see. that was the "warrioer who travels to foreign lands" scenario. I don;lt think players shouls be penalised for adding colour.  

> >
> > Well, we are going in circles, because I see plemnty of
distinction.
>
> Then why do you defend the current system on the grounds that such
> distinctions are "not significant to the narrative"?

Because they are not significant to the narrative. I don't care what technique is used to kill the victim. But techniques are certainly descriuptively distinct, and can easily be portrayed differently. They just don;t need a mechanical distinction.

>
>
> > > to ignore. "By the book" HW allows little taking account of
Orlanth
> > > being the conquerer of all weapons, and Humakt the master of
just
> > one,
> > > does it?
> >
> > I have no idea.
>
> Let me help you out, then: the answer is "no".

<shrug> What relevance doe sall of that have to the mechanical system?

> > But all you arer descrtibing is limits to culturally
> > available skills.
>
> I don't understand this comment. My point is, mythic precedent
would
> seem to make the distinction between a person "skilled in all
weapons"
> and "master of just one" "narratively significant". The HW game
system
> makes this distinction trivially small, at best.

Yes. Why do you expect the WORLD to be echoed in the MECHANICS? That would only be important, and only a design goal, in an expressly simulationist exercise. There is no reason you cannot make the distinction above by refusing to let a character spend a HP to buy a weapon style from out of their permitted cultural band.

> > Well then, what IS it that you want the system to model?
> > I fear we are talking past each other.
>
> What it claims to: narrative.

But you appear to be applying primarily simulationist concerns... Whetehr or not something is mythically significant in a world has nbothing to do with the narrative impact of that fact in any given story,

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