>A Waha shaman that doesn't want to learn any other traditions still has
>access to fire, water, darkness spirits etc. He doesn't need to follow
>Oakfed to get a fire spirit.
So? It's been consistently said that it would be _easier_ for him to get a fire spirit if he worships Oakfed. If he does not worship Oakfed then any contacts with his fire spirits will be _hostile_. This means that he will have to fight the spirit if he wants to use it, as opposed to his knowing the tradition and being able to bribe or persuade the spirit.
> >But going outside a tradition is already penalised in the rules.
>Hardly.
>If you defeat a spirit outside your tradition you get a one-use fetish (a
>fair limitation).
Like I said, you are penalized if you go outside the tradition.
>If you defeat it completely you can go get that type of
>spirit again and bind it as if it was in your tradition!
But when you worship Oakfed, you get _all_ fire spirits that he represents, and not just say the Flaming Arrow spirit that you kicked the crap out of during your last time to the spirit plane.
I do not believe that binding a fire spirit means that all fire spirits of whatever kind are now within your tradition. That would be the equivalent of a RQ shaman arguing that he can command fireblade spirits because he already knows extinguish.
> >If the Shaman enters the spirit plane during a real lightning
> >storm then he would be entering lightning boy's realm. Since,
> >for the sake of the example, he does not know Lightning Boy's
> >Tradition, then he is entering a hostile realm.
>Not necessarily, from the HW description of entering the spirit plane.
Bear in mind the HW description is a _generic_ description of entering the spirit plane. It is not the be-all end-all of Praxian Shamanism. If you have Issaries initiate-status, you can look at the Praxian Spirit World description at a-sharp and see that the Praxian shaman normally enters at the Great Herd where Eiritha is.
>My impression is that if you don't want to search the spirit plane for ages
>looking for a particular spirit you can find one easier by entering the
>spirit plane near a place of its affinity. So if you wanted a water spirit
>you have a better chance of finding one if you enter the spirit plane by a
>stream. You don't have to go to a great spirit of water's realm to get one.
But entering the spirit plane near a place of Great Spirits affinity _is_ entering the realm of that Spirit. It would be silly to enter the spirit plane near Malia's Stool and somehow not enter her realm.
> >>For me Lightning Boy must offer something more than just easier access to
> >>lightning spirits.
> >Well, he does. There's always the effects in Nomad Gods and
> >the effects of contacting the Great Spirits directly.
>This is exactly what I've been looking for! A compeling reason to actually
>use a spirit cult.
>What would these benefits be?
They'll be described in Nomad Gods.
> >So Koschei just walked onto the spirit plane and caught a bear
> >spirit? If he knew where to find it, then he must have had
> >some previous knowledge, a tradition in other words.
>He doesn't need a tradition.
He does if he's going to want to get anywhere in the spirit plane.
>Bears are common in Sartar,
They are?
>Koschei just needs to enter the spirit plane and
>find one (presumably in a spirit wood). Hunting it on the spirit plane much
>like hunting one on the mundane plane.
Hunting in a spirit wood? Rather dangerous I'd think. What happens if he encounters the Wild Hunt, the Lady of the Wild, or any one of the terrifying denizens in those woods?
--Peter Metcalfe
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