Re: Getting A Head With Vinga

From: Wulf Corbett <wulfc_at_...>
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 19:32:48 +0100


On Sat, 25 May 2002 01:06:53 +1000, "John Hughes" <nysalor_at_...> wrote:

>> Didn't Vinga chop the giant's head off in her myth in Storm Tribe? I
>> feel a feat coming on... And Humakt, of course, has a Decapitate Foe
>> feat.

>Yes, she brings the head of the giant Bansh Bone-Biter to her father. Not
>exactly typical for a vingan, but when the Daugher is roused to her
>vengeance fury almost *anything* is possible. A Vingan's call for vengeance
>goes beyond law, beyond honour, beyond even taboo. I'd see head taking as
>definitely within a Vingan hero's scope if it involved a vengeance vow.

I don't equate that myth with Vengeance. Ambition, maybe.

>Also, Vinga can gain powers from a vanquished foe - which is one of the
>reasons for headtaking in Celtic mythology. She gained the Defender Storm
>from Yiril when she 'honourably spared him'. This doesn't sound like a head
>taking, but losing a head isn't necessarily death to a God in the Storm Age.

erm... so you base the idea that she takes powers by decapitating a foe... on a story where she doesn't decapitate a foe?

>So we have myths where Vinga takes heads, and myths where Vinga gains powers
>from a defeated foe. Somewhere there may be combination myths where Vinga
>takes the powers of a beheaded foe. Never to brag or boast, or for personal
>gain, but for vengeance, for life, for the clan.

Possibly, but you'd have to create said myth yourself, the ones you quote don't do it. I'm not sure I like the idea...

> So at least a possibility of Vingans taking heads for vengeance, and

Where the vengeance bit? She took a giant's head (the only head Vinga gets in any myth I've read... erm... could have phrased that better...) to prove herself a warrior. How is that a matter of vengeance?

Wulf

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