Peter Metcalfe:
> > They don't. However when you integrate a spirit or place it
> > in a fetish, you can only use one spirit.
> I guess you mean one ability, right?
That's correct.
> Looking at the write-ups for spirits, they do seem to possess several
>abilities, though then I wonder why when you put them in a fetish (or
>integrate them) you only have access to one, but this is not true for a
>fetch... Maybe because the fetch is not captured/integrated?
That's correct.
> > But a holy fighter _is_ part of the Cult of Bagog and holy people
> > are part of the animist hierarchy.
>Just as priests are part of a cult hierarchy? IMO it's a social
>position as well as a "religious" one.
But before you were saying it was just a social position and thus (by implication) not needed in the writeup. That was what I was arguing against.
> >>> I don't think Bagogi shamans will have such an easy access to
> >>> Chaos.
> >> But isn't Bagog a great chaos spirit? Then why shouldn't
> >> they have it?
> > Because they have to get their spirits from Primal Chaos and
> > not Bagog.
>But then this would hold for every other chaos spirit/god as well.
That's correct.
>No
>one could have access to chaos spirits/affinities unless they worship
>Primal Chaos directly.
Or go to a bagogi shaman who has contacted Primal Chaos himself.
> > >But who would deal with traditional spirits, then?
> > The Queen and also the Holy Fighters.
>Mmh... I don't think that the Queen and the Holy Fighters should deal with
>spirits on a regular basis.
But the traditional spirits are scorpions spirits which the Queen and the Holy Fighters do integrate. And the Queen _is_ a shaman.
>IMO they have other things to do.
That certainly is so. But magically they are the ones who turn into scorpions, they should be the ones who deal with the traditional/scorpion spirits in the tribe, not the shamans and this has been so ever since Cults of Terror. It is no more unusual for them to deal with traditional spirits than it is for the Telmori to deal with wolf spirits.
>That is,
>unless the normal scorpion-men interaction with spirits is through the
>Ritual of Devouring...
I would prefer to keep the devouring ritual for only mundane entities.
> > I don't think so. Shamans cannot shapechange unless they become
> > Queens. Merely changing the requirement for the Shapechanging Secret
> > of Bagog is not enough.
>Why do you think that shamans should not be able to shapechange?
Cults of Terror and Lords of Terror. They cannot learn the Carapace, Jabber and Claws reusably and so it should be something they cannot do in HW.
>IIRC
>hsunchen shamans can shapechange (ok, bagogi are not hsunchen, are they?).
Not quite, but I won't go into details (and the Ituvanu of the Telmori don't).
> >> Well unless animists get a complete victory for integrating a
> >> spirit, they get nothing also.
> > Capturing a spirit in a fetish doesn't require complete victory.
>Mind you, this could explain why scorpion-men have poor magic (or
>rather, magic is not very frequent, even though I still don't see
>why it should. Do you?).
Because Bagog is a chaotic goddess?
--Peter Metcalfe
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