Please take this to the WoD list. I have mentioned this earlier so
I'm repeating the message.
Thank you.
Jeff Kyer
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- In HeroQuest-RPG_at_yahoogroups.com, Jane Williams
<janewilliams20_at_...> wrote:
>
> > > I think that's where your arguments zoom past each
> > other: Jane
> > > writing about Ernalda, Glorantha-wide, Jeff about
> > Ernalda as known
> > > exclusively by the Heortlings.
>
> --- Jeff Richard <richaje_at_...> wrote:
>
> > I am writing about Ernalda, Glorantha-wide. One
> > thing that Greg has
> > repeatedly impressed upon me is that where Orlanth
> > is worshiped, so is
> > Ernalda. The two Great Gods are paired. You might
> > have some gods
> > similar to Orlanth or Ernalda worshiped alone, but
> > they aren't Orlanth and Ernalda.
>
> Then I'm starting to think we're talking about
> different goddesses who have the same name, and no
> wonder we're getting confused. The Great Goddess I
> know as Ernalda is married to different husbands in
> different places (Yelmalio in Sun County, as
> previously mentioned, shared equally between five?
> seven? husband-protectors in Esrolia), or to nobody at
> all, but her primary identity isn't as "wife" of
> anybody, it's as "Earth". She holds the Earth Rune,
> she's the head of the Earth Tribe, everywhere, just as
> Orlanth's primary identity is as Storm, holder of the
> Air Rune, whether he's married or not. This sounds as
> if you're splitting off those bits of her (aspects?)
> that aren't married to Orlanth and presumably giving
> them new names (is the Esrolian one where this new
> "Imarja" came from, perhaps?), plus another name for
> the overall Earth Goddess, whereas I'm looking at the
> whole thing and calling *her* Ernalda, same as she was
> in RQ days. If that's the case, no wonder you find it
> obvious that Ernalda's marriage to Orlanth is an
> important part of her identity: it's a "no true
> Scotsman" proof.
>
> Well, that probably explains what, in this version,
> happens to the Earth Goddess in Dragon Pass Sun
> County. She isn't this lesser version of Ernalda, and
> presumably she doesn't die, since according to your
> logic, there's no reason for her to do so. And their
> economic position, being a grain-production base to
> start with, must be wonderful!
>
> I now start to wonder if this cut-down Ernalda is
> still a Great Goddess (probably, unless we have a lot
> of distinct sizes of goddess, but she must be at
> least a mastery smaller), and what we need to call the
> full-size one. Gata no longer exists, IIRC, but that's
> who we're looking at: the top-level holder of the
> Earth Rune, formerly known as Ernalda, marriage
> irrelevant. And who, presumably, was still alive
> throughout Fimbulwinter, but since she isn't directly
> worshipped in Dragon Pass, this didn't help anyone.
> She's worshipped in Pavis: the Ernalda temple there is
> used by both Sun County women and Sartarites, so they
> must accept her as being married to both Orlanth and
> Yelmalio, or just see that as irrelevant to her
> primary function.
>
> And who are all the extra non-married-to-Ernalda storm
> gods, and who's the top-level storm deity to whom the
> Air rune is more important than any marriage...? you
> know, he must be the one we originally knew in Pavis.
> The one who can be worshipped by anyone who breathes
> air - trolls, the lot.
>
> Are we quite sure that all this renaming and resulting
> confusion helps anyone? Renaming Babeester Gor and
> giving her name to something far more extreme was bad
> enough, and this looks like an even more complicated
> version of the same idea.
>
>
>
>
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