This is just the sort of thing that the list is for. Glad to help.
> [Snipped Wulf saying Kolat worship by Orlanth initiates would be
> possible but exceptional, Jeff Kyer saying it would be misapplied
> worship, if at all possible.]
>
> ceremonies (can't recall what they're called in TR). Normally, there
> would be someone else to take care of this, but for one reason or
> another (sickness? killed in a devastating raid? taken as thralls by
> Grazers?) there's no one to perform the ceremonies (being that 85%
of
> my guys belong to Durev the Householder, they haven't got the
85% might not be Durev House holder but I get your drift.
> spiritual hormones to do the job; or do they? Am I misinterpreting
> subcult and aspect specialization of function?) This is disastrous,
> since now noone knows when the Heler rains will fall, and the omens
> are not good for the crop for the coming year. Can the clan go to
Possible -- but you are forgetting Divine Aid and that works based on your Devotion level, I think. And there's always going to be some old bugger who's holier-than-thou. But, if not, then its the perfect time for the Our Heroes to Do Their Stuff -- perhaps a quick heroquest is in order or something like that. Since they don't know the regular ceremonies, what would be a trivial exercise for Arvi Crankytoes the Goddi is a tough night in the HeroPlane for the heroes... and the village is saved! (hurrah!)
One-
> Eye Hurbi, the Kolating, in his shack in the woods and ask oneof
> Kolat's children to come at the right time? Numerous possibilities
That's possible but the problem is this: He's a four-ways spirit-talker and we're six-ways god-talkers. We MIGHT be able to help him with sacrifice and such if we get so badly hurt that we can't do it ourselves, but usually Kolating are used for dealing with 'bad winds' that normal goddi can't control (Kolatings and urrani-winds and such...) or spirits that we don't understand.
> exist, but this is what I'm curious about; I don't care about
> fetishes and whatnot, that stuff's for traders and bean-counters. I
> want the rains! And I want them at the right time! Would I go to
> Orlanth's kinsman and ask for them? Or would I do it through Divine
> Aid from the Storm Tribe?
Divine Aid, Heroquesting by brave PC Heroes (best option, IMHO) and maybe a kolating helping if all else fails. Calling on the Spirits is a desperate thing. Most of the Kolat spirits are wind, not rain.
> Another example might be the spirits of the wild and their
> relationship with the Hunter Gods of my clan. Would I find
collateral
> worship of local spirits by people who are primarily followers of
the
Most of the local stuff would be daimonies (check the archives for Plastic Otherworlds topic for Greg's input on that subject)
> Hunting Gods? I could see this as propitiary worship ("Oh,
Year-Stag,
> take not your kin from our larders!"), but I'm curious if they would
> practice collateral worship as well.
Year Stag might be a spirit and would recieve misapplied worship, though I understand Odayla's cult is quite strange compared to most. VERY strong shamanistic element.
> [Snipped Ian Hammond and Jeff Kyer's responses to my Esrolian
> question regarding the husband-protectors.]
> So the husband-protectors are now more minor deities of the Earth
> Tribe? If this is a local phenomenon, how did it get as far as
No. They are the 'men's deities' of the Earth Tribe. There are just a lot of them, rather than most men in mainstream Orlanthi society worshipping... Orlanth.
> Garhound in Sun County (or has this been Gregged?) This makes the
> Ernalda pantheon fairly unwieldy, since it has a plethora of gods
who
No, it has not. But, I would point out that the Esrolian "pantheon" IS unwieldly. That's why they have an annual contest for Year Husband. The Garhound Contest is very esrolian but re-cast into a Heortling/Sartari mold. The Garhounds have managed to keep many of the really old "Old Earth" religious practices intact (though they don't sacrifice the Year King at the end of the year, thankfully)
> fulfill primarily the same role. Seems to me that the Husband-
> Protectors should be a kind of gestalt magic, kind of like the Seven
> Mothers' Collective, but with the inclusion of an Ernaldan woman who
Um. Not really. They are a set of cults that provide the men with magic. And each year, the strongest one of these cults takes the role of husband to the Queen of the Earth. Other husbands might find other roles.
Competition is the thing....
> fors the most important link in the chain. Otherwise, the menfolk
> have about six or seven culture-defining deities, all of whom wield
> no actual cultural power.
Why YES. That's exactly it. And that's the way the Esrolian Queens _want_ it.
> This almost makes me think that Esrolian Orlanth worshippers must
> worship him as Orlanth Thunderous, "since that's who dad followed."
> Otherwise, a call to come to the worship of the "true men's god"
> would be difficult to interpret correctly...
Yes, Orlanth Thunderous would be the most likely version for his sweet, fertile rains and lustful thunder!
Jeff
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