RE: Re: why is everyone so down on Arkat?

From: Matthew & Tracey Cole <matthew_at_...>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 04:58:05 +0100


Well, you agree with me here..........

> In Glorantha myth is the whole deal - when heroes and gods etc are
involved
> in a historical account, the facts (as we see them) *can* have
little
> bearing. It all depends on your point of view.

Well, its certainly the case that mythic worlds can even adjust history retroactively - Mage: The Ascension has this too. But there, even though the character information may well be contradictory and incopmplete, and even player information might as well, the GM information is not. So I don't feel lost as a GM, even if the players are operating under misperceptions.

> George Lucas wrote a line in his script of Episode 4 where Obi-Wan
speaks
> points of view: 'Luke, you're going to realise that many of the
truths we
> cling to depend on your point of view' (or something like that)

Oh absolutely - in fact one might argue that all of politics is the disentangling of conflicting interpretations of material events. But thats not the kind of experience I buy an RPG for.


but not here......................
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He's talking
> about justifying not telling Luke about his famous father and he
*was* right
> to do it in that way. These days we rely on knowing facts. The most
powerful
> stories don't deal in those.

No, I disagree - regardless of whether Obi Wan told luke or not, Darth Vader WAS actually his father. That was a story factm even if unkown or concealed. But the "GM" had no doubt as to the truth of this data point; only the characters did (and indeed, in some genres the player/audience might even know while the characters do not).


you *must* have been in a rush! Note: that I said 'justifying' - the quote goes on:

'.... the good man that was your father was destroyed ............ ........so what I told you is true, from a certain point of view."

The point being that 'mythic point of view' can make all the difference.


> would not stop others 'believing the lie' and having it work every
bit as well for them - IN EVERY WAY.

Well, no - thats the thing about material reality, IT is not subjective, only our interpetations of it are.

Ever heard the phrase 'true for them' ? I think that originated at the same source as 'read Joseph Campbell...'

hmmmms

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