Yeah Jeff. If I wanted a serious riposte to my post I would have
posted where that debate took place. I would have been much happier
if you had just said, 'Rob, fuck off and stop agitating against red
haired lesbians!, and then offered a beer! This is Immiderate HQ (and
dare I say, Irreverent too?)
Boo ya!
Rob
- In ImmoderateGloranthaQuest_at_yahoogroups.com, Chris Lemens
<chrislemens_at_...> wrote:
>
> Jeff Crap-speaker:
> > And here is the difference between "popular Glorantha" and "mythic
> > Glorantha" that got Jane so pissed off. Needing a "socially
> > acceptable outlet for women warriors" is a game construct. Folk
want
> > to play Xena with red hair. Fine. The game rules allow that.
But don't be surprised if the
> > underlying mythology doesn't match up with the game construct.
>
> With genuine respect to Jeff, that's a load of bison-shit. Using
this example, look at the U.S. Army and tell me there isn't a real
world need for a "socially acceptable outlet for women warriors."
It's not just a game construct. And, to the extent it is a game
construct, it is just as much a story-telling construct. If people
want to play Xena with red hair because it's a great story.
>
> How about we argue about the extent to which Kallyr _is_ Xena with
red hair? If she isn't, it doesn't matter whether its gaming
material or deep myth: she still isn't. I don't demand perfect
correlation between published materials of any kind, but I don't buy
any supposed difference between popular and mythic Glorantha. There
are excusable differences:
> -- There's a difference in presentation, assuredly. I don't need
to know that Kallyr has 10W3 in Star God's Babe in the legend of her
life, while I do to play HeroQuest in that part of her life.
> -- There are differences because gaming materials must be edited
down to a publishable length. Cutting out low-value references to
Vingans' sex lives is rational if it is inconsequential. Put another
way, we can get more details about some things in the deep background
that are _additional_ to those in the gaming materials.
> -- There are differences because authors are human. If Greg wants
to change his mind so that Vinga's a lesbian now, that's fine. He's
Greg: its his nature and we've been living with it for a long time.
> But the idea that the facts on the ground are _different_ depending
on whether they appear in gaming material or mythic background is
lame. Either Vinga's got lesbian tendencies or not, whether it's
HeroQuest or deep speculation. And if it's ambiguous, it's ambiguous
in play and in myth (until the players or readers make up their
minds).
>
> Chris, with a Molotov cocktail in one hand and a Margarita in the
other, trying to remember which not to drink.
>