Re: Vedr. Re: In Defence Of A Goddess - A

From: Jakob Pape <chaomancer_at_yvJKwRnWioSkEfGIa65G2Ol-jZpZFwX0UJWSo3_kRhXwGt6ynFfI7XOGDurz8dzQC>
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:52:02 +0100


On 5/10/07, Jeff Richard <richaje_at_el2JMz5QopI3fLVO8C_xifSBfcncwmPmDnbg0e89y_ZgG5wT0YywPxIWg1H4pUMLCSU9BvfAPj74xg.yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Is not being part of the fyrd more of a restriction for Nandanites than
> > being part of the fyrd is for Vingans?
>
> Both are restrictions. An initiate of Nandan cannot be part of the
> war fyrd (although he can support the fyrd). An initiate of Vinga
> must be part of the fyrd.
>
> A Vingan is a warrior. She fights for her clan. She isn't likely to
> be a part time fighter, but a full-time combat specialist. Most of
> the restrictions she is going to have flow from that fact - she is in
> all likelihood going to be an armed retainer of a king, chief or other
> noble. And armed retrainers don't get maternity leave. They don't
> get to skip campaigning because you are eight months pregnant. Most
> chieftains or nobles don't have the wealth to support a professional
> killer that can't kill because she is pregnant or has a small child.

Up to that part, we're in agreement. All of that can make interesting challenge for characters if they want to deal with it, but is relatively easy to sidestep if you don't want to bother. I would add a couple of points, though; being pregnant is no harder to deal with for a warrior than a serious wound that keeps you from battle (though it probably is harder to convince the chief to care for a pregnant warrior than a wounded one, there are resources for caring for incapacitated warriors); and Vingans may often be warriors, but they aren't always - so even if warriors can't aford to be pregnant, that doesn't mean no Vingan can.

However, when you say it courts divine punishment from Vinga to get pregnant (because she did, and it got her in trouble), then you cross a line. It is now impious (rather than merely difficult to deal with) for a Vingan to get pregnant, and that is much harder for PCs to work around. It also goes against Storm Tribe, which states that women who die in childbirtha are welcome in the Red Headed Lodge after death. THAT's where the problem lies.

Religiously, initiation to Vinga doesn't prepare a woman for
> childbirth or protect the pregnancy. That's Womens Magic, and Vinga
> has chosen to stay with her Father and not go with the Women to learn
> Ernalda's Secrets.
>
> Sure player characters can do differently. They can always act in odd
> and weird ways.
>
> Jeff
>
> Note: I have not said Vingans are lesbians. However, if you weren't
> interested in having sex with men in the first place, it is a lot
> easier to avoid the complications of having had sex with men. And
> that is the source of Vingans are Lesbians thread.

Oh yes, I know that. The whole Vingan=lesbian thing has been taken way further than anything actually suggested; and again, I agree in principle.

-- 
Jakob Pape

"Sometimes subtlety comes in the form of large explosions and jammed open
airlock doors."


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