From: owner-runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com (RuneQuest Rules Digest) To: runequest-rules-digest@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: RuneQuest Rules Digest V2 #138 Reply-To: runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Sender: owner-runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Errors-To: owner-runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Precedence: bulk RuneQuest Rules Digest Saturday, August 28 1999 Volume 02 : Number 138 RuneQuest is a trademark of Hasbro/Avalon Hill Games. All Rights Reserved. TABLE OF CONTENTS [RQ-RULES] Fighting beasts and their multiple attacks [RQ-RULES] Death by DI Re: [RQ-RULES] Fighting beasts and their multiple attacks Re: [RQ-RULES] Enchantments on your body Re: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI SV: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI [RQ-RULES] Hi RE: [RQ-RULES] human parry (with just 2 actions) RE: Objet : [RQ-RULES] Death by DI [RQ-RULES] DMD - Geryon for RQ/Greyhawk RE: [RQ-RULES] Fighting beasts and their multiple attacks RULES OF THE ROAD 1. Do not include large sections of a message in your reply. Especially not to add "Yeah, I agree" or "No, I disagree." Or be excoriated. If someone writes something good and you want to say "good show" please do. But don't include the whole message you praise. 2. Use an appropriate Subject line. 3. Learn the art of paraphrasing: Don't just quote and comment on a point-by-point basis. 4. No anonymous posting, please. Don't say something unless you're ready to stand by it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:31:47 -0400 From: Andrew Barton Subject: [RQ-RULES] Fighting beasts and their multiple attacks One straightforward way to fight an opponent with multiple attacks is to use dodge rather than parry. One dodge action gives your -full- dodge skill against -all- melee attacks from a single opponent. This is spelt out explicitly in the rules example for Dodge skill, where a character gets her full Dodge skill against each of the attacks from a lion. Andrew *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:00:49 GMT From: mikec@room3b.demon.co.uk (Michael Cule) Subject: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI In message <199908262013.QAA23550@ufl.edu> "Bob Stancliff" writes: > Sorry, Manu. If your Pow = 0, then your soul dies, but the memory of you > remains. That can only be destroyed by the power of Chaos 'eating' or > unmaking your soul. This is one of those deaths that cannot be fixed > without twisting the written rules. Utter bollocks. (Yes, aren't I in a good mood this evening...) Not only is it not specified anywhere in the rules but it goes against common sense. Why would a god destroy the soul of one of his worshippers in order to fulfill the worshipper's request. A worshipper doesn't stop being useful just because he's dead. Much more sensible is to rule that the god has said: "Well, done thou good and faithful servant. Now come and work for me directly as a cult spirit or angel or whatever...' - -- Michael Cule Actor And Genius AKA Theophilus Prince Archbishop Of The Far Isles Medieval Society Arms Purpure An Open Book Proper: On the Dexter Page an Alpha Or On the Sinister an Omega Or. Motto Nulla Spes Sit in Resistendo (Resistance is Useless). Ask me about the Far Isles: Better Living through Pan-Medieval Anachronisms. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:00:08 -0400 From: "Bob Stancliff" Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Fighting beasts and their multiple attacks > A tiger, then, can kill everybody. Nobody (except Wachaza > figther) can parry its last attacks. > JAM > > If there are more attacks than parries, then the extra attacks > > will get in unblocked. > > Bob Stancliff You seem to assume that the tiger's attacks will be enough to get through the fighter's armor. In my game, players often have to pick an opponent to ignore, and they just take the attack. Sometimes the attack misses, sometimes, it bounces off the armor, sometimes a few points get through, and sometimes a limb flies off. You block the attack that will hurt you most if it hits. Bob Stancliff *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:02:39 -0400 From: "Bob Stancliff" Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Enchantments on your body > RuneQuest states that breaking an object breaks any > enchantment it contains. > Julian Lord The way I read the rules, you have to break the runes that the enchantments are tied to, not break the item anywhere at all. Bob *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:15:33 -0400 From: "Bob Stancliff" Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI > > Sorry, Manu. If your Pow = 0, then your soul dies, but the memory of you > > remains. That can only be destroyed by the power of Chaos 'eating' or > > unmaking your soul. This is one of those deaths that cannot be fixed > > without twisting the written rules. > > Utter bollocks. (Yes, aren't I in a good mood this evening...) Not only is it > not specified anywhere in the rules but it goes against common sense. Why would > a god destroy the soul of one of his worshippers in order to fulfill the > worshipper's request. The D.I. rules may well give an alternate interpretation to this special case. My statement was in the generic. If your Pow=0 your soul is dead. Period. If the god does not keep a log book on the Pow of his followers, he might not know that taking the 12 Pow will kill you. The Pow is taken. 'Oops, My mistake, You are dead'. Period. The game justification for taking Pow is that it is used to power the miracle. If a D.I. equal to your Pow simply sends you to your god, with your Pow intact, then the miracle should not occur. It is far more likely that you go to your god with a Pow=0. You are dead and not resurrectable. Period. I greatly prefer an alternate form of D.I. where the Pow taken is proportional to the request made. If the request was within the sphere of the god, then it would rarely be fatal. Bob *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:20:41 +0200 From: "Erik Sieurin" Subject: SV: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI That is how _I_ always interpreted it as well... If another player has a suitable initiate/Rune Level/Whatever, perhaps he can one day encounter your character as an allied spirit? That would be an interesting role to play (it has been done, AFAIK - not only in that RQ tournament where people played the awakened beasts of Praxian Runics, but also in some AD&D tournament where one player was the hero, the others his sentient and very free-willed magical artifacts - the magical equivalent of Rouge Trooper!) Erik, drowsy - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Michael Cule Till: runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Datum: den 27 augusti 1999 23:51 Ämne: [RQ-RULES] Death by DI >In message <199908262013.QAA23550@ufl.edu> "Bob Stancliff" writes: >> Sorry, Manu. If your Pow = 0, then your soul dies, but the memory of you >> remains. That can only be destroyed by the power of Chaos 'eating' or >> unmaking your soul. This is one of those deaths that cannot be fixed >> without twisting the written rules. > >Utter bollocks. (Yes, aren't I in a good mood this evening...) Not only is it >not specified anywhere in the rules but it goes against common sense. Why would >a god destroy the soul of one of his worshippers in order to fulfill the >worshipper's request. A worshipper doesn't stop being useful just because he's >dead. Much more sensible is to rule that the god has said: "Well, done thou >good and faithful servant. Now come and work for me directly as a cult spirit or >angel or whatever...' > >-- >Michael Cule > >Actor And Genius >AKA Theophilus Prince Archbishop Of The Far Isles Medieval Society >Arms Purpure An Open Book Proper: On the Dexter Page an Alpha Or >On the Sinister an Omega Or. Motto Nulla Spes Sit in Resistendo >(Resistance is Useless). Ask me about the Far Isles: >Better Living through Pan-Medieval Anachronisms. > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:31:00 EDT From: REBEL P ENGLISH Subject: [RQ-RULES] Hi Hi, I am new to the list and wanted to introduce myself. What did I miss? I Ride a pale horse... But I'm not Spooky... ...Yet! ? Rebel P.E. Esq. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:16:35 +0200 From: "German Cantabrana Gonzalez" Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] human parry (with just 2 actions) Yes, it's rigth (about RQ4:Aig) but in other similar system game (I'm not sure, maybe Elric) I read one option: You can parry or dodge any number of attacks but you lost a cumulative 20% for every defense over limbs(including horns and similar, like Broos) x 1/2. It's hard, but you can try it. A tiger can blow up every limb it hit with a bonus damage of 3D6 (or 5D6 in the RQ4 table). JAM P.D. Hi, Brad. - -----Mensaje original----- De: Brad Furst Para: runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Fecha: viernes, 27 de agosto de 1999 10:37 Asunto: [RQ-RULES] human parry (with just 2 actions) >My friend German asks >>>Can a human parry (with just 2 actions) the three >>>atacks of an animal? or he must eat the last strike free? >> >"Bob Stancliff" replies >> If there are more attacks than parries, then the extra attacks will get >>in unblocked. > >This is one of the few things our group has retained from _RQ4:AiG_: Those >rules allow the declaration of "parry" to parry _all_ attacks [in the melee >round] from a _single_ opponent. Such allowance is in contradiction to RQ2 >and RQ3, but we use it. > >To those others of us who were playtesters of the ill-fated _RQ4:AiG_: Has >there ever been any evidence of release from our [Humakti] vows of >copyright exclusiveness? > >Brad Furst >esoteric@teleport.com > > > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:21:23 +0200 From: "German Cantabrana Gonzalez" Subject: RE: Objet : [RQ-RULES] Death by DI No, absolutely. Your soul is with your God. Your friends, just can pray for your back to the god. Or go to the divine plane and speak with the God (I don't now who is he, I hope he don't was Humakt :-)). If it could be posible, nobody will die. JAM - -----Mensaje original----- De: Emmanuel Ponette Para: runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Fecha: viernes, 27 de agosto de 1999 11:48 Asunto: Objet : [RQ-RULES] Death by DI >Do you think that if the character receive enough POW through Gift POW of Daka Fal, >he can be resurected? How can I determine if someone is resurectable or not. > >Manu > >>>> "Bob Stancliff" 08/26 10:13 >>> >> In my last game, I've lost a long time character. He had only 9 POW left >(because of Krarshtides :-)), and he made a DI to save two friends lifes. >He rolled a 9. If I reckon well, if your POW is 0, you never existed, and >never will, and nobody remembers you. >> Is this right? Is there a way to get him back to life? Is a HeroQuest a >way to save him? Where is his soul? >> Manu > Sorry, Manu. If your Pow = 0, then your soul dies, but the memory of you >remains. That can only be destroyed by the power of Chaos 'eating' or >unmaking your soul. This is one of those deaths that cannot be fixed >without twisting the written rules. > The referee could agree that your soul has some fractional or residual >Power that keeps it from completely disappearing (like a grass spirit). >Then, is you have a descendent, they could use the Daka Fal spell to Gift >Pow to an ancestor. This would still not bring you back into the game as >an adventurer, but your spirit could be bound and nursed back to strength, >so plan to move on to a new character for a long time. >Bob Stancliff > > > > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:29:44 -0400 From: Tal Meta Subject: [RQ-RULES] DMD - Geryon for RQ/Greyhawk Lords of the Nine GERYON Runes: Law (Malign), Evil, Illusion Ruler of Stygia, Hell's Fifth Layer, Geryon is widely regarded as the Lord of Fraud. Cult in the World Geryon rules Stygia from the Fortress of Tantlin, where his commands are carried out by legion upon legion of spined devils, under the supervision of bone or malebranche devils. In addition to these diabolic forces, Geryon can call upon a magical horn that can summon a number of minotaurs to serve him as well. While Belial takes the souls of those who were violent, and Dispater claims the souls of the lustful, Geryon is given charge of those who lived by fraud. Thieves, some politicians, moneylenders, and all manner of charlatans and liars find their way to his frigid, watery realm, there to be eternally tormented for the lives they ruined for their own aggrandizement. Manifestation Geryon is one of the less anthropomorphic arch-Devils, possessing a stinger-tipped snake body, two gorilla-like arms, huge bat wings, and a human head with a face that has been described as "honest, trustworthy, and guileless" - the greatest fraud of all, to those who know Geryon well! Lesser Contracts Requirements: Those who would make a bargain with the Lord of Fraud must already be conversant in some aspect of it already; Geryon expects to render service, not to train anyone. Geryon will reward those supplicants he deems suitable by providing the following gifts in exchange for POW: 1) The services of an imp for a year. It will serve as a familiar and advisor. 2) Geryon will give the supplicant a new face, or a new voice (but not both). They may be the face or the voice of anyone the supplicant knows. All changes made will fade in one year's time unless a new contract is negotiated. 4) Geryon will sculpt a new body for the supplicant, using the old one as a template. All changes made will fade in one year's time unless a new contract is negotiated. Greater Contracts Requirements: Those who are willing to forge a Greater Contract with Geryon must be willing to sever all the ties with their old lives, for it is Geryon's will that once they have pledged their souls to him, that they have no identity beyond his service. Stripped of their identity, Geryon's servants are henceforth forced to live by their wits, through an endless series of lies and deceptions designed to defraud those around them into believing the lies that they spread. Geryon's Talismans grant the following abilities to their bearers: Lies told by the caster never register on any Truth detection spell, unless that spell is stacked with more points than are points of POW present in the Talisman. By expending one point of POW from the Talisman, the bearer can create an effect identical to the Conceal Identity spell. By expening three points of POW from the Talisman, the bearer can create an effect similar to the Divination Blank spell. Geryon's Talismans typically take the form of silver prisms, with an emeralds and rubies. Spirit of Reprisal Duke Amon: Geryon's most favored vassal is Amon, the wolf-headed greater demon who leads numerous companies of bone devils on his behalf. Those who have displeased Geryon would do well to seek shelter when they hear the baying of wolves in the distance, for Amon can command every wolf within a mile of his location, and he relishes hunting mortal prey. - -- talmeta@cybercomm.net - Heretic, Dilettante, & God-Machine ICQ - 12594453 AIM - talmeta Homepage - *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:33:13 +0200 From: "German Cantabrana Gonzalez" Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Fighting beasts and their multiple attacks >German Cantabrana Gonzalez wrote: >> >> A tiger, then, can kill everybody. Nobody (except Wachaza figther) can parry >> its last attacks. > >The tiger has to roll it's attacks just like everybody else. It could >miss. > And your parry too. I just think that the human must have one posibility of parry, difficult perhaps, but the option of defend himself. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of RuneQuest Rules Digest V2 #138 ************************************* *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. RuneQuest is a Trademark of Hasbro/Avalon Hill Games. 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