From: owner-runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com (RuneQuest Rules Digest) To: runequest-rules-digest@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: RuneQuest Rules Digest V2 #139 Reply-To: runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Sender: owner-runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Errors-To: owner-runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Precedence: bulk RuneQuest Rules Digest Sunday, August 29 1999 Volume 02 : Number 139 RuneQuest is a trademark of Hasbro/Avalon Hill Games. All Rights Reserved. TABLE OF CONTENTS RE: [RQ-RULES] Fighting beasts and their multiple attacks Re: [RQ-RULES] Fighting beasts and their multiple attacks RE: [RQ-RULES] Fighting beasts and their multiple attacks [RQ-RULES] Tigers and Bears. Oh My! Re: Objet : [RQ-RULES] Death by DI [RQ-RULES] Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:20:49 +0200 [RQ-RULES] Lions and Tigers and Bears - oh my! Re: [RQ-RULES] Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:20:49 +0200 Re: [RQ-RULES] Enchantment Gluttony RULES OF THE ROAD 1. Do not include large sections of a message in your reply. Especially not to add "Yeah, I agree" or "No, I disagree." Or be excoriated. If someone writes something good and you want to say "good show" please do. But don't include the whole message you praise. 2. Use an appropriate Subject line. 3. Learn the art of paraphrasing: Don't just quote and comment on a point-by-point basis. 4. No anonymous posting, please. Don't say something unless you're ready to stand by it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:38:58 +0200 From: "German Cantabrana Gonzalez" Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Fighting beasts and their multiple attacks This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BEF120.01C52F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If ever I'll figth with a tiger, be sure, I will try to dodge or parry. -----Mensaje original----- De: William Wenz Para: runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com = Fecha: viernes, 27 de agosto de 1999 16:09 Asunto: Re: [RQ-RULES] Fighting beasts and their multiple attacks =20 =20 Yes, a tiger can kill everybody. How you fight one will determin if = it kills you. Isn't that the point?=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BEF120.01C52F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If ever I'll figth with a tiger, be = sure, I will=20 try to dodge or parry.

-----Mensaje = original-----
De:=20 William Wenz <taotoday@earthlink.net>
= Para:=20 runequest-rules@li= sts.imagiconline.com=20 <runequest-rules@li= sts.imagiconline.com>
Fecha:=20 viernes, 27 de agosto de 1999 16:09
Asunto: Re: = [RQ-RULES]=20 Fighting beasts and their multiple attacks

Yes, = a tiger=20 can kill everybody. How you fight one will determin if it = kills you.=20 Isn't that the point? - ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01BEF120.01C52F60-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 01:38:21 -0500 From: William Wenz Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Fighting beasts and their multiple attacks - -and you will hopefully wear armor, cast spells, use missle weapons if possible, and bring lots of friends if you can. Just as I would. :) If the tigre wasn't dangerous, what fun would fighting it be? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:54:35 +0200 From: "German Cantabrana Gonzalez" Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Fighting beasts and their multiple attacks :-) Really that I want to say is the play system don't allow try to parry, but yes permit the dodge (and you will hopefully wear armor, cast spells, use missle weapons if possible, and bring lots of friends if you can...of course) JAM - -----Mensaje original----- De: William Wenz Para: runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Fecha: sábado, 28 de agosto de 1999 9:39 Asunto: Re: [RQ-RULES] Fighting beasts and their multiple attacks >-and you will hopefully wear armor, cast spells, use missle weapons if >possible, and bring lots of friends if you can. Just as I would. :) If >the tigre wasn't dangerous, what fun would fighting it be? > > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com >with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:15:48 +0100 From: "Dom Twist" Subject: [RQ-RULES] Tigers and Bears. Oh My! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEF135.EA5740A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My group recently went up against a rather large sabre tooth tiger. The group were just starting out (Teenage farm hands rather than real = warriors.) It scared the living hell out of them, came close to killing at least = three party members and was taken down by a lucky crit to the abdomen. The stuff of Legends! The Character who got the crit in has the head and = skin of the Tiger on his Long House wall. Is known as 'Halfdan = TigerSlayer'. etc etc. Moral of this story. Normal people dont hunt tigers on their own. They = do it with a whole bunch of their freinds and neigbours. And probably = big hounds to use as trackers and tiger fodder. Go in with LONG spears = while the dogs nip at its heels. Hero's might be different. But a tiger is a ton or more of killing = machine. Humans arnt. It's not meant to be easy! I'm a pretty experianced swordsman. Put me in my chainmail, shield and = broadsword in a locked room with a angry tiger. My lifespan is in = seconds.... DomT - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEF135.EA5740A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My group recently went up against a = rather large=20 sabre tooth tiger.

The group were just starting out (Teenage farm hands = rather=20 than real warriors.)

It scared the living hell out of them, came close to = killing=20 at least three party members and was taken down by a lucky crit to the=20 abdomen.

The stuff of Legends! The Character who got the crit = in has=20 the head and skin of the Tiger on his Long House wall. Is known as = 'Halfdan=20 TigerSlayer'. etc etc.

Moral of this story. Normal people dont hunt tigers = on their=20 own. They do it with a whole bunch of their freinds and neigbours. And = probably=20 big hounds to use as trackers and tiger fodder. Go in with LONG spears = while the=20 dogs nip at its heels.

Hero's might be different. But a tiger is a ton or = more of=20 killing machine. Humans arnt. It's not meant to be easy!

I'm a pretty experianced swordsman. Put me in my = chainmail,=20 shield and broadsword in a locked room with a angry tiger. My lifespan = is in=20 seconds....

DomT

- ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BEF135.EA5740A0-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:24:33 +0100 From: "Nikk Effingham" Subject: Re: Objet : [RQ-RULES] Death by DI >Do you think that if the character receive enough POW through Gift POW of Daka Fal, >he can be resurected? How can I determine if someone is resurectable or not. > >Manu I was thinking the same thing. Obviously, it is impossible to Ressurect someone with 0 POW, as they'd die as soon as you brought them back to life. But, if you Gift Power to them, and then ressurect them this seems to be a way around it - certainly there is nothing in the rules against it...... mind you, with all the time spent summoning the right spirit, using Gift Power and Ressurecting him it seems to me that the body wouldn't really be in a fit state afterwards... Nikk *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:23:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "German Cantabrana Gonzalez" Subject: [RQ-RULES] Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:20:49 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BEF1C5.1C4221E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, there are somebody wrong. I'm not a defender of the tigerslayers. = Think in a tipic combat between a tiger with Clawsx2 60% 2D8+5D6 and = Bite 1D8+5D6 and the last attack only if the 2 claws impact, and a human = figther Spear 1H 60% and Shield 60%. If the human try to parry all the = attacks then parry the first claw at 60%, the 2nd at 40% and the bite at = 20%, so probably is about to die. I just think that he must have the = option to parry, that's don't mean that he is going to parry, of course = the normal figth finish with a tiger sleepping after his dinner. JAM - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BEF1C5.1C4221E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, there are somebody wrong. I'm = not a=20 defender of the tigerslayers. Think in a tipic combat between a tiger = with=20 Clawsx2 60% 2D8+5D6 and Bite 1D8+5D6 and the last attack only if the 2 = claws=20 impact, and a human figther Spear 1H 60% and Shield 60%. If the human = try to=20 parry all the attacks then parry the first claw at 60%, the 2nd at 40% = and the=20 bite at 20%, so probably is about to die. I just think that he must have = the=20 option to parry, that's don't mean that he is going to parry, of course = the=20 normal figth finish with a tiger sleepping after his = dinner.

JAM

- ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BEF1C5.1C4221E0-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:20:54 -0500 From: styopa@iname.com Subject: [RQ-RULES] Lions and Tigers and Bears - oh my! In regards to the Tiger attack(s) here is how I've DM'd it IMG: The tiger has in effect 3 attacks. The bite. The L Claw, the R Claw. The "rake" with both back claws is treated as a bonus (free, instant) attack available to the Tiger 1 SR after both claws have hit. Now, here's where the "DM" part comes in. 1) A Tiger isn't a stupid damage-dealing machine. It wants to come out of any combat as UNinjured as possible (get it? monster self preservation!). Typically a tiger will only attack with one claw. 2) If the opponent is somewhat weak, not causing too much trouble, it might then attack with two claws and/or a bite (a lunge). The bite would be the attack of LAST resort because of the potential injury from the tigers point of view. 3) IF a tiger "pounces" - which it will ONLY do if desperate, or pretty certain of success without injury, and always from ambush - THEN if both claws hit, I allow the rake. What are the consequences for the target? Well, in (1) it's a simple matter of combat vs. a single attack. In (2) it's a little more complicated - the tiger gets all of it's attacks on a single SR, and the victim/target can parry ONE of them, or dodge them all (dodging the lunge, in effect). This is where a Dodge (meaning dodging all attacks from a single target) makes sense. A parry is typically done at the head, since I'd grant the "attacking from above hit location bonus" given the attitude of the tiger and target. So if you have the cajones to stand and take a tiger's lunge with a weapon, you have a pretty good chance of killing the tiger. Of course, if you DON'T kill him, you're probably kitty food, as I'd give the tiger knockdown ability. In this case, if he lunges, AND hits with both claws AND knocks the target down, then you'd get the rake the next SR. So you're chow at that point. It's a TIGER, after all. In (3) the net result is that you PROBABLY are being attacked from ambush and don't get your dodge unless you're lucky. Otherwise, the attack turns into a lunge. My point is, logically, the tiger may have 4 claws and a bite, but he doesn't get 5 actions, he may get as many as 4, but only in a very certain set of circumstances. Normally, he's only going to paw you anyway. If you don't fall down, die, or try to run, he'll PROBABLY run away. In my game, anyway. :) In (3) - -Steve (styopa@iname.com) or at work (Steve@necadon.com) http://surf.to/styopa *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:43:26 -0400 From: "Bob Stancliff" Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:20:49 +0200 > Well, there are somebody wrong. I'm not a defender > of the tigerslayers. Think in a typical combat between > tiger with Clawsx2 60% 2D8+5D6 and Bite 1D8+5D6 > and the last attack only if the 2 claws impact... The Gloranthan Bestiary lists a Sabertooth as 1d8+2d6 w/claws, 2d6+2d6 w/bite, and 2d8+2d6 w/rake. The rake cannot occur until the round after both claws have gripped. I have no idea where you got your stats from, but they are designed to fight a new rune lord with iron armor and spells (plus a couple of followers. You are dishing out 27 hp of average damage from the claws if they hit. That is very close to the damage of a cacodemon fiend or the demon from the wild hunt. There are giants that do less than 7 dice of damage. Bob *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:40:14 -0700 From: "Bob and Christine Eldred" Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Enchantment Gluttony This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01BEF20A.E0F993C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd be interested in knowing why folks feel that "even farmers are = likely to get a few points of POW per year"? Is spirit combat that = common for the everyday man? Bob -----Original Message----- From: simon_hibbs@lycosmail.com To: runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com = Date: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Enchantment Gluttony =20 =20 Nikk Effingham : =20 >Okay, I promised not to get into demographics, but this is asmall = note why I >feel this is invalid. there will be more Wizards than Farmers 'cos, = simply >put, they are better than they are in a medieval historical = society. A few >Wizard Caste Henotheists armed with Bless Crops will be far better = than a >few Farmers, and Wizards can ward off those evil Malia disease = spirits and >Bless the populace etc... etc... =20 This would make sense if only priests could gain usable magic, but in Glorantha that is not the case. Even ordinary farmers can gain rune magic on a one-use basis. Ok it's one use only, but even farmers are likely to get a few points of POW per year. I imagine that in theistic societies the congregation of a typical priest(ess?) probably generate about as much growth and fertility magic between them as the priest does. =20 Asside from which, someone still needs to clear out weeds and stones, till the soil, sow the seed, tend the crops, harvest it, look after the animals, etc, etc. =20 =20 Simon Hibbs =20 =20 =20 =20 = *************************************************************************= ** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to = majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the = message. - ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01BEF20A.E0F993C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'd be interested in knowing why = folks feel that=20 "even farmers are likely to get a few points of POW per = year"? =20 Is spirit combat that common for the everyday man?

Bob

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 simon_hibbs@lycosmail.com=20 <simon_hibbs@lycosmail.com&g= t;
To:=20 runequest-rules@li= sts.imagiconline.com=20 <runequest-rules@li= sts.imagiconline.com>
Date:=20 Wednesday, August 04, 1999 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: = [RQ-RULES]=20 Enchantment Gluttony

Nikk Effingham = :

>Okay, I=20 promised not to get into demographics, but this is asmall note why=20 I
>feel this is invalid. there will be more Wizards than = Farmers 'cos,=20 simply
>put, they are better than they are in a medieval = historical=20 society. A few
>Wizard Caste Henotheists armed with Bless = Crops will=20 be far better than a
>few Farmers, and Wizards can ward off = those evil=20 Malia disease spirits and
>Bless the populace etc...=20 etc...

This would make sense if only priests could gain=20 usable
magic, but in Glorantha that is not the case. = Even
ordinary=20 farmers can gain rune magic on a one-use
basis. Ok it's one use = only, but=20 even farmers are
likely to get a few points of POW per year. I=20 imagine
that in theistic societies the congregation of a=20 typical
priest(ess?) probably generate about as much growth=20 and
fertility magic between them as the priest = does.

Asside from=20 which, someone still needs to clear out
weeds and stones, till = the soil,=20 sow the seed, tend the
crops, harvest it, look after the animals, = etc,=20 etc.

Simon=20 = Hibbs

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