From: owner-runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com (RuneQuest Rules Digest) To: runequest-rules-digest@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: RuneQuest Rules Digest V3 #9 Reply-To: runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Sender: owner-runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Errors-To: owner-runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Precedence: bulk RuneQuest Rules Digest Tuesday, January 11 2000 Volume 03 : Number 009 RuneQuest is a trademark of Hasbro/Avalon Hill Games. All Rights Reserved. TABLE OF CONTENTS Re: [RQ-RULES] Re: Elementals in Action Re: [RQ-RULES] True Stone Re: [RQ-RULES] Re: Divine Magic & the gods --> Elementals [RQ-RULES] X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.12a) Re: [RQ-RULES] ( was Divine Magic & the gods ) [RQ-RULES] Shaft on shaft [RQ-RULES] Elemental sizes Re: [RQ-RULES] Elemental sizes RE: [RQ-RULES] True Stone RE: [RQ-RULES] Re: True Stone RE: [RQ-RULES] True Stone RE: [RQ-RULES] Re: Divine Magic & the gods [RQ-RULES] Abbreviation RE: [RQ-RULES] Re: Divine Magic & the gods --> Elementals RE: [RQ-RULES] Re: Divine Magic & the gods Re: [RQ-RULES] Abbreviation [RQ-RULES] Elementary, my dear Watson! RE: [RQ-RULES] Elementary, my dear Watson! RULES OF THE ROAD 1. Do not include large sections of a message in your reply. Especially not to add "Yeah, I agree" or "No, I disagree." Or be excoriated. If someone writes something good and you want to say "good show" please do. But don't include the whole message you praise. 2. Use an appropriate Subject line. 3. Learn the art of paraphrasing: Don't just quote and comment on a point-by-point basis. 4. No anonymous posting, please. Don't say something unless you're ready to stand by it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:38:09 EST From: MurfNMurf@aol.com Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Re: Elementals in Action Heck, When I re-typed the table ( because it wasn;t lined up ), everything lined up just fine, then when it comes back to me it is still messed up :( -Ken- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:40:02 PST From: "Leon Kirshtein" Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] True Stone >Also, if an active character is only getting 8 POW in 10 years, he isn't >trying. Depending on a game you playing. In the games I played, it was not unusual for people to make acolyte with 10pt of Divine magic in about two sessions (sometimes even in one). The average power after is around 10 - 11 which is kind of low for a character but survivable. It has never taken any of my characters longer than 2 years of game time to gain the 10pt, unless they chose not to do so and used their power for other things. >Even a priest should get a POW check every holy day that he casts Worship (doesn't it say that?), and everyone gets a POW check on high holy day. I believe the priest who casts the Worship gets 1pt automaticly and everyone else gets a POW check. But that may just be a house rule. Leon Kirshtein www.geocities.com/leonbk/ "No good deed shall go unpunished." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:53:46 PST From: "Leon Kirshtein" Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Re: Divine Magic & the gods --> Elementals > 4pt binding matrix to hold an elemental (we cound SIZ even > though it is expresed in cubic meters) This is official, but when the players started to beat 25 and 30 POW spirits, we toughened the rules a little. Most groups I played with and/or GM'd would have a problem binding something of that POW size, but I can see you're reasoning behind the extra POW expenditure. > I think I would let them exterminate each other on the hit point basis at a > rate of 1hp per 1hp. At the end of the combat between the two I would > refigure the survivors size and other stats based on the hit points > remaining, with a minimum of 1 cubic meter. This is ok, but I would make it faster. I meant this would take effect in 1 round. Puff, it happens. >I also don't see that all elements have clear oppositions in Glorantha. I would say that elements not in opposition would have to use the standard combat rules for their type, even if it has litle or no effect. I do not see a problem with that. Leon Kirshtein www.geocities.com/leonbk/ "No good deed shall go unpunished." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:55:49 GMT From: "Nikk Effingham" Subject: [RQ-RULES] X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.12a) auth d55c2888 subscribe runequest-rules-digest \ eng7nje@ARTS-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:59:23 -0500 From: Tal Meta Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] ( was Divine Magic & the gods ) MurfNMurf@aol.com wrote: > > I'm _still_ wondering about the volume difference between the small, > medium, and large Elementals in RQ2 and RQ3. > I'm curious as to just _why_ exactly they were knocked down to their > current 1m3, 3m3, and 10m3 sizes for RQ3. > Maybe someone from the design team is lurking, and could share the > rational behind it. I think those were listed strictly as examples - you can summon whatever size elemental you want. - -- talmeta@cybercomm.net - Heretic, Dilettante, & God-Machine ICQ - 12594453 AIM - talmeta Homepage - *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:25:46 PST From: "Leon Kirshtein" Subject: [RQ-RULES] Shaft on shaft Hi guys, Just wondering if anyone is using special rules for shaft on shaft type of combat. for example: Spear vs spear. Axe(or mace/maul) vs axe. Spear vs axe. I am particularly interested as to how you treat a critical or special attack vs a normal parry? Leon Kirshtein www.geocities.com/leonbk/ "No good deed shall go unpunished." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:56:00 -0500 From: "Bob Stancliff" Subject: [RQ-RULES] Elemental sizes > I'm _still_ wondering about the volume difference between > the small, medium, and large Elementals in RQ2 and RQ3. > I'm curious as to just _why_ exactly they were knocked > down to their current 1m3, 3m3, and 10m3 sizes for RQ3. > Maybe someone from the design team is lurking, and > could share the rational behind it. > -Ken- I don't think that I follow what your saying. Were RQ2 Elementals 1m3, 3m3, and 10m3? In the RQ3 Creature Book there are examples to show how they scale up, but ANY volume is possible in multiples of 1m3. You simply take the number of cubic meters that you want and multiply that by all of the stat rolls for a 1m3 elemental. This provides far more variability and control of encounter difficulty, and I assure you 6m3 Elementals are hard to capture and hard to kill. 7 to 10m3 Elementals are just plain BAD. In reference to something Leon said: since elemental HP's are related to size, my players consider Elementals to only have STR, SIZ and POW, but to bind a good size elemental under our 20 stat/POW rule, you still might need a 6 to 9 POW bind to hold it. Stancliff *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:52:18 EST From: MurfNMurf@aol.com Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Elemental sizes Sorry about possible confusion concerning RQ2 Elemental volumes. In RQ2, the Elementals come in 3 different sizes: Small 3x3x3m = 27m3 Medium 3x6x3m = 54m3 Large 3x9x3m = 81m3 In RQ3, the Elementals listed are given in 3 different sizes, which I've always _assumed_ were equal to the Small, Medium, and Large classifications used in RQ2. Small 1m3 Medium 3m3 Large 10m3 So, _now_ does anyone know why the difference in the 3 Elemental's volumes in RQ2 and the 3 Elemental's volumes in RQ3? -Ken- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 01:56:28 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Cantabrana_Gonz=E1lez?=" Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] True Stone Bob Stancliff wrote: >An adventurer always prefers a matrix if he can get it. Yes, that's what I think, but I thougth that perhaps there are something more in the Truestone. >These are all RQ3 changes where you will also need 10 POW of divine magic to >become an acolyte or priest (8 doesn't do it). Yes, he need two more points in my example. German *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 02:00:45 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Cantabrana_Gonz=E1lez?=" Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Re: True Stone Leon Kirshtein wrote: >According to RQ3 rules, as far as I know, you do not lose the spell (can repray for it) then you set the stone. I you play that the character does lose it, then I would say he should get special dispensation then attempting to become a priest and not be required to have 10pts of Divine magic. 2pt should do in his case. That's different. In my Elder Secrets you lose your magic. That is for what I did ask. If you don't lose your magic it star to seem a good magic item. German *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 02:06:55 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Cantabrana_Gonz=E1lez?=" Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] True Stone >>Also, if an active character is only getting 8 POW in 10 years, he isn't >>trying. > >Depending on a game you playing. In the games I played, it was not unusual >for people to make acolyte with 10pt of Divine magic in about two sessions >(sometimes even in one). The average power after is around 10 - 11 which is >kind of low for a character but survivable. It has never taken any of my >characters longer than 2 years of game time to gain the 10pt, unless they >chose not to do so and used their power for other things. Yes, I think so. You need too make armor enchantaments or matrices or same son of ... Tap your Pow or... In my game I ask for 5 points in runic magic to become acolit and 10 points to become a priest. It could be difficult or not, but the people, sometimes fails their gains rolls because everybody want to have a Pow about 15. German *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 02:26:29 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Cantabrana_Gonz=E1lez?=" Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Re: Divine Magic & the gods >Query about elementals inspired by Ken's question - >if elementals need an amount of their element in which to manifest when summoned, do they need an amount of their element present in order to manifest from a binding? I don't think, is very difficult to carry i.e. 15 m3 of fire, or your are going to use your greatest salamander ony after to burn a wood or the townhall? What do you say me of a Lune (are you going to carry 72 ENC OF LUNAR ROCKS to can use your 6 m3 lune in a crescent quater?) or a Shadow (only in the night or closed places). I prefer theries like Elric with hot medallion with a ready salamander or a wet ring with a ready undine. And one more thing: Can a shadow to carry anything? or hit anything or anybody? The shadows and the lunes fly and have (sometimes a lot of) Str as the Sylphs. Yes, maybe, they don't do it without a Dominate cos it is unnatural to their, but they, can? German *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 02:30:03 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Cantabrana_Gonz=E1lez?=" Subject: [RQ-RULES] Abbreviation What is the meaning of IMO? Are you using an stablished abbreviation table? German *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 02:37:00 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Cantabrana_Gonz=E1lez?=" Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Re: Divine Magic & the gods --> Elementals > > IMG we play >that one point of POW for binding is only good for 20 pt's of Stat, so to >bind large spirits, binds must be more expensive, since 2 or 3 POW must be >allocated to the largest stat of some spirits and Elementals. > >We have always play that 1POW is necessary for each characteristic, thus you >would need a 4pt binding matrix to hold an elemental (we cound SIZ even >though it is expresed in cubic meters) Yes, that's a RQ IV rule: You need 1 POW point for every 20 pt's of stat in every stat the creature have. But I think a elemental have only Str, Pow and Siz so It is a 3 pt binding matrix. Isn't it? German *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:40:27 +0800 From: "Matthew Barron" Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Re: Divine Magic & the gods About needing element present to call elemental from binding - >>I don't think, is very difficult to carry i.e. 15 m3 of fire, or your are going to use your greatest salamander ony after to burn a wood or the townhall? What do you say me of a Lune (are you going to carry 72 ENC OF LUNAR ROCKS to can use your 6 m3 lune in a crescent quater?) or a Shadow (only in the night or closed places). I prefer theries like Elric with hot medallion with a ready salamander or a wet ring with a ready undine.<< I don't have my rules with me at work - I didn't realise that you needed the whole volume of the element present to summon an elemental - as you can tell it hasn't happened in my campaign(s) for some time. Is this right? Do you need 3m3 of fire to summon a 3m3 Salamander? When I asked my question about binding I was thinking that just some of the element needed to be present - a token amount. I liked the idea of an elemental just erupting from a tiny source - like an undine from a water jug. Something like this happens in one of the Mothander DeVille stories (from memory a bound salamander comes out of a fireplace). Now either this was a tiny elemental (less than 1m3) or a damn big fireplace. By the way, I like the hot amulet/wet ring idea too. Matt B. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:42:47 EST From: MurfNMurf@aol.com Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Abbreviation IMO=In my opinion IMHO= In my humble opinion IMNTUO=In my next to useless opinion WTF= What the fuck? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:20:03 -0500 From: Tal Meta Subject: [RQ-RULES] Elementary, my dear Watson! Germán Cantabrana González wrote: > > And one more thing: Can a shadow to carry anything? or hit anything or > anybody? The shadows and the lunes fly and have (sometimes a lot of) Str as > the Sylphs. Yes, maybe, they don't do it without a Dominate cos it is > unnatural to their, but they, can? I allow a Shade or Salamander to use it's STR to grasp and hold an opponent, who cannot then escape it's effects by running away. - -- talmeta@cybercomm.net - Heretic, Dilettante, & God-Machine ICQ - 12594453 AIM - talmeta Homepage - *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 06:33:11 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Germ=E1n_Cantabrana_Gonz=E1lez?=" Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Elementary, my dear Watson!