From: owner-runequest-rules@lists.ient.com (RuneQuest Rules Digest) To: runequest-rules-digest@lists.ient.com Subject: RuneQuest Rules Digest V4 #39 Reply-To: runequest-rules@lists.imagiconline.com Sender: owner-runequest-rules@lists.ient.com Errors-To: owner-runequest-rules@lists.ient.com Precedence: bulk RuneQuest Rules Digest Friday, April 20 2001 Volume 04 : Number 039 RuneQuest is a trademark of Hasbro/Avalon Hill Games. All Rights Reserved. TABLE OF CONTENTS Re: [RQ-RULES] spirits Re: The Return of those pesky Jolanti (was Re: [RQ-RULES] Giants) Re: [RQ-RULES] Drogarsi thanks and divine magic suggestions? [RQ-RULES] Giants RE: [RQ-RULES] Giants Re: The Return of those pesky Jolanti (was Re: [RQ-RULES] Giants) RE: [RQ-RULES] big characters have also been a problem RE: [RQ-RULES] spirits [RQ-RULES] RE: The Return of those pesky Jolanti [RQ-RULES] Calculate fatigue values (if you use 'em) as 2 x CON Re: The Return of those pesky Jolanti (was Re: [RQ-RULES] Giants) RULES OF THE ROAD 1. Do not include large sections of a message in your reply. Especially not to add "Yeah, I agree" or "No, I disagree." Or be excoriated. If someone writes something good and you want to say "good show" please do. But don't include the whole message you praise. 2. Use an appropriate Subject line. 3. Learn the art of paraphrasing: Don't just quote and comment on a point-by-point basis. 4. No anonymous posting, please. Don't say something unless you're ready to stand by it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:54:11 -0000 From: "Leon Kirshtein" Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] spirits Intellect Spirit Int 1d6 Pow 2d10 Power Spirit Pow 2d6+3 >From: Brad Furst >Reply-To: runequest-rules@lists.ient.com >To: runequest-rules@lists.ient.com >Subject: [RQ-RULES] spirits >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:50:49 -0700 > >Quick. Who remembers (please tell me) the dice for INT and POW of an >Intellect Spirit? Power Spirit (no INT, of course, POW only)? > >2d6+3? > > >Brad Furst >esoteric@teleport.com > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com >with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:22:03 +0800 From: Jeremy Martin Subject: Re: The Return of those pesky Jolanti (was Re: [RQ-RULES] Giants) - --------------61E9051BD8EF7E4E303B3EEE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Of course, I dont _really_ have any idea how you'd go about > determining > the weight of something that is _less_ than double the original's > height > (like the weight of a 6m Jolanti compared to a 4m Jolanti).. > Ah, there's the rub! > -Ken Murphy- Should be easy: every time you double the height, you also double the width and depth. That's why, when you use 2x the height, you use 2x2x2=8 the weight. Right? Then a 6m Jolanti (1.5 times the height) would be 1.5x1.5x1.5 = 3.375 times the weight. Really, you're just cubing ( ^3 ) the height multiplier, so a 5 meter Jolanti is 1.25^3 times the 4 meter weight, a 10 meter Jolanti is 2.5^3 times, etc. So, Jolanti are big dwarven golems? Does anyone have complete stats on them? I've never heard of them before... Any other Bestiaries on the net? Thanks, Jeremy - --------------61E9051BD8EF7E4E303B3EEE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Of course, I dont _really_ have any idea how you'd go about determining
the weight of something that is _less_ than double the original's height
(like the weight of a 6m Jolanti compared to a 4m Jolanti)..
Ah, there's the rub!
-Ken Murphy-

Should be easy: every time you double the height, you also double the width and depth. That's why, when you use 2x the height, you use 2x2x2=8 the weight. Right?

Then a 6m Jolanti (1.5 times the height) would be 1.5x1.5x1.5 = 3.375 times the weight. Really, you're just cubing ( ^3 ) the height multiplier, so a 5 meter Jolanti is 1.25^3 times the 4 meter weight, a 10 meter Jolanti is 2.5^3 times, etc.

So, Jolanti are big dwarven golems? Does anyone have complete stats on them? I've never heard of them before... Any other Bestiaries on the net?

Thanks,

Jeremy
- --------------61E9051BD8EF7E4E303B3EEE-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:05:11 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ian=20Gordon?= Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Drogarsi thanks and divine magic suggestions? Hi everyone, Thank you for your comments and suggestions on Drogarsi, they have been most helpful. If I can impose just a little longer, would anyone have any notes/suggestions for Drogarsi divine magic. I am using Donandar Divine Magic for the moment and it doesn't really strike me as morale, combat assisting magic.. However I wouldn't like to step on any Humakti toes either. They tend to carry sharp swords. Yours Ian Gordon ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:31:12 +0200 From: Julian Lord Subject: [RQ-RULES] Giants Brad Furst : > Don't the rules also make it too difficult for a larger-than-medium > character to use armor of the same type as his medium-sized > companion, because the ENCumbrance of the next larger size of armor > has increased at a greater rate than the STR+CON fatigue-endurance > attribute? It's a mistake in the rules, which also makes midgets unrealistic. Quick fix : Calculate fatigue values (if you use 'em) as 2 x CON, and always use the ENC values for medium SIZ armour. Julian Lord *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:42:04 -0400 From: Robert Stancliff Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Giants > Weapons for big characters have also been a problem, because e.g. > a SIZ 36 great troll would probably handle a shortsword like a > dagger and great sword as a broadsword. What about great swords for > great trolls? They have been forgotten altogether. No specific rules for this. In my game I made one that if your SIZ was 16+ and your STR was > (Weapon Min +20), then you could wield a weapon as if it were one type smaller on the charts. This works great for Agimori and Trolls to impale with Bastard Swords and use Long Spears in one hand. The idea could be extended until giants are using Pikes as short spears and Hoplite shields as bucklers. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:56:37 EDT From: MurfNMurf@aol.com Subject: Re: The Return of those pesky Jolanti (was Re: [RQ-RULES] Giants) - --part1_41.a499dc8.28118c05_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/20/01 1:20:55 AM Central Daylight Time, I wonder about odd-sizes of Jolanti,to which Jeremy writes: Should be easy: every time you double the height, you also double the width and > depth. That's why, when you use 2x the height, you use 2x2x2=8 the weight. > Right? > Then a 6m Jolanti (1.5 times the height) would be 1.5x1.5x1.5 = 3.375 times > the weight. Really, you're just cubing ( ^3 ) the height multiplier, so a > 5 meter Jolanti is 1.25^3 times the 4 meter weight, a 10 meter Jolanti is > 2.5^3 times, etc. > So, Jolanti are big dwarven golems? Does anyone have complete stats on > them? I've never heard of them before... Any other Bestiaries on the net? > Thanks, > Jeremy > Well, that's a handy bit to know. Thanks. The Jolanti are, as you've concluded, basically big dwarven golems made of stone. If you look them up via search engine, you'll likely find plenty of references. There's an interesting write-up of them at the Issaries or Chaosium site in Greg's Lore library (or something like that). Whether the write-up ever had any sort of RQ mechanics attached to them or not, I couldn't say. The stats I've referred to in my post are located in the RQ3 Glorantha Bestiary. The RQ mailing liost archives from about a year ago has a lot of different takes on the things, which also might be of interest; including some _very_ scary stats fro the Watchdog of Corflu. -Ken Murphy- - --part1_41.a499dc8.28118c05_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/20/01 1:20:55 AM Central Daylight Time, I wonder about
odd-sizes of Jolanti,to which Jeremy writes:

Should be easy: every time you double the height, you also double the
width and

depth. That's why, when you use 2x the height, you use 2x2x2=8 the weight.
Right?
Then a 6m Jolanti (1.5 times the height) would be 1.5x1.5x1.5 = 3.375 times
the weight. Really, you're just cubing ( ^3 ) the height multiplier, so a
5 meter Jolanti is 1.25^3 times the 4 meter weight, a 10 meter Jolanti is
2.5^3 times, etc.
So, Jolanti are big dwarven golems? Does anyone have complete stats on
them? I've never heard of them before... Any other Bestiaries on the net?
Thanks,
Jeremy

  Well, that's a handy bit to know. Thanks.
  The Jolanti are, as you've concluded, basically big dwarven golems made of
stone. If you look them up via search engine, you'll likely find plenty of
references. There's an interesting write-up of them at the Issaries or
Chaosium site in Greg's Lore library (or something like that). Whether the
write-up ever had any sort of RQ mechanics attached to them or not, I
couldn't say.
  The stats I've referred to in my post are located in the RQ3 Glorantha
Bestiary. The RQ mailing liost archives from about a year ago has a lot of
different takes on the things, which also might be of interest; including
some _very_ scary stats fro the Watchdog of Corflu.
-Ken Murphy-
- --part1_41.a499dc8.28118c05_boundary-- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:03:56 -0400 From: Robert Stancliff Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] big characters have also been a problem > Brad Furst wrote: > Maybe, instead of a weapons table for damage with a modifier > for STR+SIZ, we should have a table of damage for SIZ+STR and > a simple modifier for weapon. An astute observation. We spend a lot of time worrying about d8+1 vs. d10+1 and then we double our STR to get 2d6 bonus, add a Bladesharp 6, and then our weapon damage is the smallest part of our roll. With large and huge creatures the damage bonus is the primary form of damage, and the weapon is just an extra die. Unless you spend a lot of time playing low level campaigns, this is a good argument for simple weapon charts. > Isn't selection of weapon (by the player for > the character) often done for irrelevant reasons? I certainly don't consider this decision irrelevant for most players. They have to balance weapon size against space required to use it, and damage done against loss of a shield parry. A sword that can sever isn't quite as good as a spear that can impale, but once impaled, dare you take the time to remove it or do you leave it there? Then there is the issue of whether they can get Bladesharp or other spells on all of their weapons or will they stick with one. Of course, if the ref isn't taking advantage of the limitations of an encounter area, then most players will take the biggest weapon they can carry and use it in absurd situations. > Don't the rules also make it too difficult for a larger-than- > medium character to use armor of the same type as his medium- > sized companion, because the ENCumbrance of the next larger > size of armor has increased at a greater rate than the STR+CON > fatigue-endurance attribute? That sounds like a valid observation. Enc increases are certainly overwhelming for spell casting. But 'too difficult' is a relative observation. My group has characters that can't normally go into battle without at least a STR or Vigor spell to raise their fatigue into the positive range. All of these PC's also have a small Endurance spell to make sure they don't take penalties. Bob Stancliff *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:08:13 -0400 From: Robert Stancliff Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] spirits > Quick. Who remembers (please tell me) the dice for INT and POW of an > Intellect Spirit? Power Spirit (no INT, of course, POW only)? > 2d6+3? > Brad Furst Sorry, it changes based on your location. The general summoning table gives Int spirits 1d4 Int & about 4d6 Pow. Pow spirits get 2d6+3. A shaman who wanders deep into the spirit plane can easily find these spirits with twice this value in all stats. Stancliff *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:39:31 -0400 From: Robert Stancliff Subject: [RQ-RULES] RE: The Return of those pesky Jolanti Jeremy wrote: > So, Jolanti are big dwarven golems? > Does anyone have complete stats on them? > I've never heard of them before... They figure prominently in the history of Pavis, the man and the city. The RQ2 Pavis and Rubble packs discuss them and the Flintnail cult lists a divine spell for a stone warrior of man height. There might be something in Elder Secrets in the dwarven section, but I am not sure. Stancliff *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:38:30 -0700 From: Brad Furst Subject: [RQ-RULES] Calculate fatigue values (if you use 'em) as 2 x CON > > Don't the rules also make it too difficult for a larger-than-medium > > character to use armor of the same type as his medium-sized > > companion, because the ENCumbrance of the next larger size of armor > > has increased at a greater rate than the STR+CON fatigue-endurance > > attribute? > >It's a mistake in the rules, which also makes midgets unrealistic. >Quick fix : Calculate fatigue values (if you use 'em) as 2 x CON, Or perhaps, instead of fatigue-endurance at STR+CON, use SIZ+CON? Rationalize it a weight distribution? >and always use the ENC values for medium SIZ armour. That is tempting. Brad Furst Esoteric [A Working Title] esoteric@criticalpath.com (503)-265-1253 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:38:16 +0200 From: "Stephane Gesbert" Subject: Re: The Return of those pesky Jolanti (was Re: [RQ-RULES] Giants) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C0C9FB.5ABD3EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some more basic maths/physics that you may find useful: Don't forget density! The power rule applies for beings made of the same = stuff, say if a human weighs 100 kg, then a similarly proportioned giant = twice as tall would weigh 2x2x2 =3D 8 times as much, i.e. 800 kg. To = this you may apply a "density" factor, e.g. 1 for flesh-and-bone beings (basically the density of water, say 1 ton = per cubic meter) 2-3 for stone beings (roughly 2-3 tons per cubic meter) 6-7 for iron beings (i.e. 6-7 tons per cubic meter). Example: Take an average human of 70 kg, turn him into an iron golem and = he/she weighs about 500 kg! Now take a giant version, twice as tall, = made of stone (say density 2) and you get 70 x 8 x 2 =3D 1120 kg! Regards, Stephane. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MurfNMurf@aol.com=20 To: runequest-rules@lists.ient.com=20 Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 2:56 PM Subject: Re: The Return of those pesky Jolanti (was Re: [RQ-RULES] = Giants) In a message dated 4/20/01 1:20:55 AM Central Daylight Time, I wonder = about=20 odd-sizes of Jolanti,to which Jeremy writes:=20 Should be easy: every time you double the height, you also double = the=20 width and=20 depth. That's why, when you use 2x the height, you use 2x2x2=3D8 = the weight. =20 Right?=20 Then a 6m Jolanti (1.5 times the height) would be 1.5x1.5x1.5 =3D = 3.375 times=20 the weight. Really, you're just cubing ( ^3 ) the height = multiplier, so a=20 5 meter Jolanti is 1.25^3 times the 4 meter weight, a 10 meter = Jolanti is=20 2.5^3 times, etc.=20 So, Jolanti are big dwarven golems? Does anyone have complete stats = on=20 them? I've never heard of them before... Any other Bestiaries on = the net?=20 Thanks,=20 Jeremy=20 Well, that's a handy bit to know. Thanks.=20 The Jolanti are, as you've concluded, basically big dwarven golems = made of=20 stone. If you look them up via search engine, you'll likely find = plenty of=20 references. There's an interesting write-up of them at the Issaries or = Chaosium site in Greg's Lore library (or something like that). Whether = the=20 write-up ever had any sort of RQ mechanics attached to them or not, I = couldn't say.=20 The stats I've referred to in my post are located in the RQ3 = Glorantha=20 Bestiary. The RQ mailing liost archives from about a year ago has a = lot of=20 different takes on the things, which also might be of interest; = including=20 some _very_ scary stats fro the Watchdog of Corflu.=20 -Ken Murphy-=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C0C9FB.5ABD3EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Some more basic maths/physics that you may find=20 useful:

Don't forget density! The power rule applies for = beings made=20 of the same stuff, say if a human weighs 100 kg, then a similarly = proportioned=20 giant twice as tall would weigh 2x2x2 =3D 8 times as much, i.e. 800 kg. = To this=20 you may apply a "density" factor, e.g.

1 for flesh-and-bone beings (basically the = density of=20 water, say 1 ton per cubic meter)

2-3 for stone beings (roughly 2-3 tons = per cubic=20 meter)

6-7 for iron beings (i.e. 6-7 tons per cubic=20 meter).

Example: Take an average human of 70 kg, turn him = into an iron=20 golem and he/she weighs about 500 kg! Now take a giant version, twice as = tall,=20 made of stone (say density 2) and you get 70 x 8 x 2 =3D 1120 = kg!

Regards,

Stephane.

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 MurfNMurf@aol.com

To: runequest-rules@lists.ient.com=

Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 = 2:56=20 PM

Subject: Re: The Return of = those pesky=20 Jolanti (was Re: [RQ-RULES] Giants)

In a = message dated=20 4/20/01 1:20:55 AM Central Daylight Time, I wonder about
odd-sizes = of=20 Jolanti,to which Jeremy writes:

  Should be easy: = every time=20 you double the height, you also double the
width and
depth. That's why, when you use 2x the height, you = use=20 2x2x2=3D8 the weight.
Right?
Then a 6m Jolanti (1.5 = times the=20 height) would be 1.5x1.5x1.5 =3D 3.375 times
the weight. = Really,=20 you're just cubing ( ^3 ) the height multiplier, so a
5 meter = Jolanti is=20 1.25^3 times the 4 meter weight, a 10 meter Jolanti is
2.5^3 = times, etc.=20
So, Jolanti are big dwarven golems? Does anyone have = complete=20 stats on
them? I've never heard of them before... = Any other=20 Bestiaries on the net?
Thanks,
Jeremy =

  Well, that's a handy bit to = know.=20 Thanks.
  The Jolanti are, as you've concluded, = basically big=20 dwarven golems made of
stone. If you look them up via search = engine,=20 you'll likely find plenty of
references. There's an interesting = write-up=20 of them at the Issaries or
Chaosium site in Greg's Lore library = (or=20 something like that). Whether the
write-up ever had any sort of RQ = mechanics attached to them or not, I
couldn't say.=20
  The stats I've referred to in my post are located in = the RQ3=20 Glorantha
Bestiary. The RQ mailing liost archives from about a = year ago=20 has a lot of
different takes on the things, which also might be of = interest; including
some _very_ scary stats fro the Watchdog of = Corflu.=20
-Ken Murphy-
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