I think a lot of this was superceded by the Dawn Age discussion that Greg, Harold Smith, Stephen Martin, Shannon Appelcline, Rob Heinsoo and I had. We discussed Heort and the survival of the Vingkotling-Heortlings to very great detail. The Orlanthi never became Hsunchen.
Heort ultimately had to defeat the Hidden Kings - but this is almost more akin to Odayla defeating the Great Bear.
Jeff
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