I agree. It looks as though as early as 1620 that they regarded the city as lost. And why not? Only a fool would conclude that there was much hope. When Whitewall fell the defenders were gone. I think that it is much more likely they moved with other plans. I am almost certain they realised the significance of Whitewall and new something of the plot for the RM temple by Old Wind. As Jeff said, Kallyr had to survive!
Do we know if II is going to publish a scenario around the battle of Penel?
Rob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jane Williams
> Sent: Sat Apr 10 16:35:49 2004
> To: whitewall_at_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: Kallyr arrives, departs, etc.
>
> > >1620: Early, middle: In Whitewall with Broyan
> > >Winter: Returns to the Quivini.
> > >1621: among the Quivini when Whitewall falls.
> > >
> > >OK, her departure at the start of winter *is* a bit odd. And a
bit
> > >final.
> >
> > Except that we've already decided that both sides wind down their
> > forces during winter.
>
> True, but it looks to me as if Kallyr generally spends winter in
Whitewall,
> not wandering around Dragon Pass (a bit chilly, impassable, etc,
when you
> don't have a fixed home to go to.)
>
> > We still need a reason for her not returning
> > in the Spring though. Do we know what she was doing among the
Quivini?
>
> Not specifically, no. As a general rule, it's been "guerilla and
commando
> activities" and "fostering resistance".
>
>
> > >The other was as part of that myth-reenactment that establishes
> > >Broyan as Vingkot. That involved "Orlanth" being outlawed from
his
> > >stead by his "brothers", and later being summoned back
by "Vingkot"
>
> > >Unfortunately, this doesn't give much time to build up all the
plot
> > >that must have been involved in getting the right number of
brother-
> > >representatives so annoyed with Kallyr that they kick her out of
> > >Whitewall :(
> >
> > Another possibility is that she and Broyan intended to
> > re-enact the myth but ran out of time part way though leaving
> > Orlanth (Kallyr) outlawed and exiled from WW while Broyan
> > fails to properly identify with Vingkot.
>
> Hmm... Can't say I'm very keen on the idea, but it *does* fit.
>
> > This could explain
> > the lack of defenders when the city falls - they're all on
> > the Hero plane and having to find a way out which doesn't
> > involve returning to occupied WW.
>
> I think we were considering a mundane-plane re-enactment, not
going onto the
> HP, weren't we? Hence Kallyr really, in the mundane, leaving
Whitewall?
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