Hi Joerg
Wow! One of the few posts that I have copied to a notepad doc and
saved for future reference. Thank you. I have been re-reading it
over the past few days and there is one thing that I would like to
know, and that is to go deeper into Baron Sanuel and explore his
motivations and background. Any idea on places to look for such
information. I'd also be delighted to hear your views/version of the
Baron.
Best regards
Rob
wrote:
>
> Rob
>
> >> I'm a bit curious about the nature of that grant. Is this a case
> >> similar to Baron Sanuel (whose grant was given by the Lunars)?
> >> Normally, Broyan's position as a Vingkotling king wouldn't
enable
> >> him to grant feudal land.
>
> > I have learned since running my game at WW that Broyan is indeed
a
> > Vingkotling King and what that actually means. I have also learnt
> > more about what being a Larnsti actually means.
>
> I wish I could say that...
>
>
> > The thing is when I ran my game I had this idea that Heortland
> > was like westernised Theyalans, going from my RQ3 stuff,
> > specifically the Genertela Book p.49.
>
> I know that (kind of) setting, it's what I produced in the RQ era.
>
>
> > Whether or not this is now canon I don't know but I have
> > actually presented it like this. Obviously with the advent of
> > Heroquest we have discovered the Esvulari which I was unfamiliar
> > with. Thats not such a problem because we, being at Whitewall,
were
> > more concerned with the Whitewall Confederation of 4 tribes,
> > including the Sylangi.
>
> > Another mistake that I had made that I am sort of bound to as we
> > have played it this way is what High King means to Broyan and the
> > tribes of the Whitewall Confederation. Coming from Pendragon I
was
> > taking the feudal route, which I know is wrong, but it did
provide a
> > degree of colour and juxtaposition compared to the rustic
barbarian
> > lifestyle we had played 'oop north'.
>
> > Now, the Sylangi are 'The Great Traitors' and Broyan has this
highly
> > effective, small group of heroes that he can toss at the Sylangi,
> > and what better way than by making the leader of the group a
Baron
> > of the Sylangi Kings lands!!! If someone has detailed the Sylangi
> > and personalities then I'd probably drop that straight into my
game.
>
> IMO Broyan helped the pro-Lunar faction within the Sylangi (and
Bacofi)
> with their "coup" by taking most of the anti-Lunars with him into
> Whitewall.
>
>
> >> Most Sylangi were not supporting Broyan, so this grant may have
> >> been pique at their backstabbing.
>
> > Spot on. Thats how I see it. The character has Larnsti ancestry
that
> > he is as yet unaware of, so it may be possible for him to become
> > King of Heortland after Broyan. Are there any references to what
> > happens after Broyan is killed and post Dragonrise?
>
> The only good info we have is about Harrek's activities in
Kethaela,
> Garrath Sharpsword, the Wolf Pirate, meeting him for a champion's
battle
> and getting a draw (rather than the mere "survived opposing
Harrek" he
> achieved on the Cradle). From his inclusion in the Sartar Free
Army in the
> Dragon Pass boardgame, Baron Sanuel remains in the region. Since
Broyan
> doesn't seem to reclaim Volsaxar, I guess Sanuel's hold on
Smithstone
> remains. Maybe Broyan makes him swear allegiance to the High King
of the
> Hendriki (Broyan) and casts Sanuel as his loyal thane (while
Sanuel still
> takes money from the Lunars to keep the road to Karse free).
>
>
> Broyan leaves Heortland in 1623 or earlier, and returns only for
the
> Battle of Milran in 1624, probably going to Durengard rather than
> Volsaxar.
>
> Broyan is not involved in the Dragonrise, but rushes north when
news of it
> and the battle of Dangerford reach Heortland. He gets ambushed by
the
> Kitori and disappears from recorded history. Since the Kitori
don't have
> much of a military force, I doubt that Broyan lost an army, too -
more
> likely he was heading to a muster site when ambushed.
>
> And it is quite possible that Sanuel actually went to Sartar with
his
> forces, finding the Lunars gone, and offering himself as an ally.
He might
> even have received a special dispatch from Fazzur (who just lost
part of
> an unexpected Tarshite Dart Competition and prepared to hit back)
to play
> along.
>
>
> My personal interests lie in Karse and Refuge. In Refuge, I see a
Tarshite
> Prince (Orontes of Tarsh War fame) left in charge and having to
deal with
> the Hero Wars, cut off from his family ties. In Karse, I see the
resident
> Lunars integrated into the city as the rulers join efforts spread
over
> Kethaela to re-unify the Holy Country. IMG most Lunars left over in
> Heortland will gravitate to these two cities remaining just out of
reach
> of the Heortling restitution.
>
>
> I'm rather more interested how "Orlanth is Dead" plays out in
Heortland
> and Esrolia.
>
> The Esvulari probably thrive - much of their lands could be just
outside
> of the planned Glowline from Tatius' temple, and even where not
their
> magics don't suffer (much).
>
> In Esrolia, Asrelia will be called upon to feed the population
through the
> winter. There will be only one harvest that year, no grain for
trading,
> except where the Warm Earth dominates.
>
> Rhigos probably will get stinking rich from feeding northern
Kethaela
> across the Mirrorsea Bay.
>
> The Lunars in the affected region might have received warning
about a
> drastic change in food resources and weather, and might have
stockpiled
> against that need. Then, Lunar intrigues being what they are,
Tarshite
> Lunars might be as surprised as the natives, but unlike the
natives, the
> Tarshites have access to rich supply from their homeland.
>
> The Grazers probably get fed from Tarshite supplies, too - unlike
their
> Vendref. Most likely in exchange for their mercenary services in
Esrolia.
> And I wouldn't be astonished if the Grazers replenished their
Vendref
> losses with thralls taken in Esrolia.
>
> The Sun Domers must rely on Lunar supplies, too, just like Sanuel.
In
> either case, this may have caused some critical reassessment of
their
> employers.
>
> In Heortland, the winter will be acerbated by the Scorpionfolk
expansion.
> The Westerner lords and the Lunar occupation forces may prove
their worth
> if they manage to defend their fiefs. The cities may be
provisioned by
> ship - unlike the Greater Darkness, Choralinthor does not go into
hiding,
> and will hardly freeze over either with the tidal action going on
and sea
> currents still working. Fishing may be unpleasant in the bay,
maybe more
> hazardous, but not greatly diminished in its yields. Out on the
sea,
> business as usual.
>
> One important difference in naval activities will be the absence
of wind.
> Fortunately, the Kethaelans have a tradition of oared warships, so
there
> will be oared vessels, or sailing vessels towed by oared ones.
>
> The Wolf Pirates that did not sail with Harrek will notice the
change in
> magic, too. IMO some will raid the helpless, other will go for more
> pleasant places to raid in Slontos.
>
>
> I have less ideas what happens in the Whitewall region. The Sun
Domers
> might have managed to hide their role at Iceland from Tatius, or
justify
> it. Sanuel had no part in it. Broyan spreads the Thaw/New
Breathing into
> Hendrikiland while Kallyr brings it to Sartar.
>