R: Re: Lunar element's relation to others, especially Storm from pentallion on 2008-12-09 (World of Glorantha)

From: pentallion <pentallion_at_a9j1S5zH4d4Rr7NTCBn13jGS3y-tACkkJnvoamjePRA8rYPxdNLCHsm3ppvcHS7Vx>
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:50:53 -0000

In WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com, Gianfranco Geroldi <giangero_at_...> wrote:
>
> --- Mar 9/12/08, pentallion <pentallion_at_...> ha scritto:
> > Time.
> >
> > The Time rune was added and the Lunars represent this time
> > rune.
> > The Lunar phases are representative of the phases of time.
> > And, as
> > Orlanth conquered Yelm and Yelm conquered Ernalda and so on
> > back to
> > the Darkness, the Lunars must conquer Orlanth. They must
> > right the
> > wrong of unbridled freedom. The freedom to rape. The
> > freedom to
> > pillage. The freedom to deny freedom to others.
> >
> > ie, there must be rules and the Lunars seek to enforce
> > "order" aka
> > the rules upon the Orlanthi. As is their nature, the
> > Orlanthi seek
> > to rebel.
> >
> > Unfortunately, the Lunars are not perfect either. For he
> > who makes
> > the rules is generally above them. This has been exposed
> > by Sheng
> > Seleris - the new Painstar. The Empire is decadent. The
> > rules
> > don't apply to those who enforce them.
> >
> > So a new thing must be created. And with each iteration,
> > the Gods,
> > the source of Chaos, magic, all those things, get further
> > and
> > further away from the mundane world. The last time, the
> > Gods
> > accepted the Compromise. The next time, as we've all
> > read, the Gods
> > are swallowed by Arachne's net. That includes Thed and
> > her son, her
> > pain, Wakboth.
> >
> > For time heals all wounds.
> >
> > So yes, by that definition of the cosmology, a Lune IS an
> > elemental. A time elemental.
>
> Thanks for your insight, Pentallion.
> Food for thought.
> But I don't quite share your assumptions, I'm afraid.
> Time is connected to causality and I don't think there is one
single entity, even if the Lunar Pantheon is a powerful one indeed, that can be linked mutually to causality.
> Ciclicity and Balance are aspects of causality, but I don't think
they are so central in Gloranthan Time definition.
> I don't think that Lunar elementals can be defined as Time
elementals, either.
> Time is not eternally the same and eternally cicling as the Lunars
believe. Their sudden appearance in 1247 or so is a prove of that.
> Time is also connected to entropy, for example, so you could call
a Chaotic entity a 'Time elemental', applying the same inductive reasoning.
> But it would be wrong, in my opinion.
>
> Ciao,
> Gian
>
Actually, a Chaotic Entity IS what Arachne Solara used to create time. It was the void and it devoured all things and they became forgotten as if they never were. The Gods feared it greatly. It attacked when Wakboth did and they feared it more than the Devil. But Solara harnessed it into her web and that is why time erases things.