RE: Again with undead questions from Matthew Cole on 2009-04-25 (World of Glorantha)

From: Matthew Cole <matthew.cole_at_NsMkLPcX2FCXfC_K-aRGR_tZH08U5uuI62ZWJ5QCzAMj4-cPTd-FKh85A0SjEGF>
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 04:12:05 +0100

... RQ2 (Cults of Prax) had the Humakt writeup containing a Bind Ghost spell but this didn't survive into RQ3.

Cheers
M

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From: WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com [mailto:WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Cole Sent: 25 April 2009 04:03
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Subject: RE: Again with undead questions

>From Gods of Glorantha, Humaky cult writeup:

Turn Undead magic
This affects an undead creature (skeleton, zombie, mummy, ghoul or vampire).

I think undead have to be embodied. Otherwise how are they deadalive or alivedead?

Ghosts are plainly the dead. Wraiths are a particular kind of ghost.

>From the Creatures Book. P42.

A wraith is a ghost formed when an individual's feelings at death are of overwhelming frustration and hate. Wraiths are malignant to all life. Wraiths appear as skeletal and usually rotted and putrid-looking spectral forms. Their appearance of often heralded by a sudden blast of freezing, foul air.

Wraiths inhabit ruins, abandoned temples, haunted spots, and the spirit world. They are often bound to the site of their death.

I think the confusion must come from a connection with Tolkien's works where wraiths ("Wraiths on wings!!") were embodied beings both in this world and the other.

Hth

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From: WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com [mailto:WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of donald_at_erddQ2horU1Y9EgAzWcmNY5l36u3Sgc6g2ixLlazZduI7yuvefjr1H38xfXOMoRP4xZ98k0oBaE09ugsMw2Q.yahoo.invalid Sent: 25 April 2009 02:12
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Subject: Re: Again with undead questions

In message <gstebd+pl8i_at_eGroups.com> "xavierllobet" writes:
>Hi everyone,
>
>Are wraiths considered "undead"? Are they anathema to Humakti?
>Would they be affected by "Turn undead" spells? And ghosts?
>What do you think? :)

>From Anaxial's Roster "Ghosts are malign spirits of the unhallowed
or unhappy dead..." That's pretty much the Humakti definition of undead.

There's no mention of wraiths so the answer depends on what exactly they are in Glorantha. In most fantasy worlds they seem to be a variation on ghosts.

Personally I think most Humatki tend to have a pretty wide definition of undead - if you chop its head off and it gets up again its probably undead.

-- 
Donald Oddy
http://www.grove.demon.co.uk/







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