Steve Stair:
>I don't know, I mean even the gods are constrained by time.
>Even though dragons were not involved in the Compromise
>aren't they still bound by time?
Peter Metcalfe:
>Why oh why is it that when the Red Goddess says she has secrets of Time,
>nobody outside the Lunar Empire (and minority of those inside) believes her
>and yet when Draconic snake-tongued cultists insist that a True Dragon can
>travel anywhere it pleases (ie the same line of Bullshit), everybody believes
>them.
Peter:
>For the record, I like to point out that the Kralori War in Heaven
>which took place in the _same_ year as the Dragonkill War was explicitly
>acknowleged by the Exarchs to be the result of years and years of magical
>preparations and summonings!
Of course! The dragons, except for the emperor, who was dead (Yanoor) or not yet revealed (Godunya), heed very little what the exarchs do, so those worthies had to study carefully and work great summonings etc. to act at the only moment when they could get some dragon action. Which just happened, amazing coincidence as you say, to be at the same time the dragons struck down the True Golden Horde.
Here is some pure speculation on Kralorela from my side: during the gods' war, Kralorela was protected from the worst ravages by 'their dragons'. An earth dragon raised the Shan Shan and Hachuan Shan, the Blue Dragon patrolled the sea and a celestial dragon shielded the sky. Those dragons were on friendly terms and worked together with the emperors. When the FDR arrived on the scene they nestled into the power structures and effectively immobilized these dragons so that they couldn't act against the FDR.
So the exarchs had to await the other dragons to start the war in heaven.
John Snead:
>There was some mention that renegade dragonewts never join elemental
>cults. OK, what kind of cults might they join?
In the RQ2 book, it is stated that renegade dragonewts never join elemental cults, but sometimes enter power-rune cults. Biturian Varosh's story in Cults of Prax mentions a warrior dragonewt Aldrya worshipper among the elves.
This is all old stuff, so it might be invalidated by later material.
Peter:
>My own opinion is that the Inhuman King after it disentangled itself from
>the pit of corruption that was the EWF Grand Dragon project decided that
>Elemental Attachments was Not A Good Thing and all subsequent dragonewts
>(around Central Genertela) have honoured decision to such an extent that
>moderns think it is impossible.
That's plausible.
Peter:
>>The EWF in an
>>attempt to bring about the Grand Dragon (which was really an insane pipe
>>dream IMHO) began draconizing all the local spirits they could find.
Me:
>That's a compelling theory. However I don't share your view of the plan
>as an insane pipe dream.
Peter:
>It was explicitly described as a pyramid scheme in the Glorantha book!
>About the EWF plans, I have in mind those Great Leap Forwards and Cultural
>Revolutions in which all means are turned towards the draconization of
>society leaving little else for the material welfare of its subjects.
I never said it would have been benefical for the population at large. That doesn't turn it into an insane pipe dream though, just a megalomanic power dream, which is probably worse. Fortunately it didn't work out.
Paths to hell:
Andrew Behan:
> some strange coincidence all of the (known) backdoors into Hell seem to
> be in Dragon Pass or in the back of beyond.
Andrew Joelson:
>Not necessarily true; Dragon Pass is a region with more magical/mythic
>activity than the rest of Glorantha. However it's certinly possible that
>ther are more paths available than are commonly known in the East & West.
Most of all, Dragon Pass or rather central Genertela is the region with the most published material available. The west has only recently begun to be published and about the east there is still only speculation.
>Kralorean & Fronelan societies being what they are, people wanting to find
>a path to Hel are scarce(er).
Definitely. If there were ways to Hell in the west, the wizards have most likely made sure they were destroyed long ago.
/Nils W
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