Greetings! Sandy *is* my pal; so, I thought it only fair to say a couple things in defense of his position. In me previous posting, I was taking a very generic, world-view type of stance. In a more specific case, Sandy has said he generally gives three warnings to players before he kills them. First comes a hint, then a stronger hint, and at last (if the player is still resisting) a still stronger hint. In this campaign, given that level of warning (which I think is reasonable by the way), any character who still walks into death's jaws is pretty much **asking for it!** Humakt's perspective might well be ``I don't want this fool teaching *any* more initiates. Let them think he died in honor.'' :-) There is an old story illustrating the point. There was a minister in a town in the US. This town was along the banks of a river which occasionally flooded. The weather reports came in that the river was going to flood. The parish sandbagged the dike, but still the river came and overwashed the dike and sand bags. One of the ministers followers drove through the water in his truck and asked the minister to join him in getting to safety. The minister replied ``no son, God will provide.'' The waters continued to rise. When the water was up to the steps of the church, a sheriff came by in a motor boat and asked the minister to join him in getting to safety. The minister refused saying ``have faith, God will provide.'' Still the waters rose. Finally, the minister was clinging to the church steeple and a FEMA helicopter came by. The crew urged the minister to join them in safety, but the minister fought them off saying ``God will provide.'' Well, sure enough, the minister drown, but he was a true believer. The minister was taken up to the hallowed halls of heaven. When he met Saint Peter at the gate, Saint Peter said ``you seem upset Minister. What is causing you such consternation? ARen't you happy you were saved?'' The minister replied ``Saved! Sure I'm happy to be in heaven, but why didn't you save me from the flood on Earth?'' Peter began, but God interrupted him saying ``Save you from the flood? I sent a truck, a boat and a helicopter! What more did you expect?'' ;-) If you've given the Humakti fair warning then let the chips fall where they will. In service, Rich Staats ------------------------------
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