:-) Greetings! The discussion has really taken off! Several quick thoughts . . . {author quickly dons his flame retarding undergarments -- ah, that's better.} ;-) Let me start off by saying, as a GM, I'm a big Humakt fan. Many players have played Humakti characters over the years in the Campaign, and they have played some truly *heroic* PCs. I'm also a big fan of the RQ players/GMs/designers out there and have universally enjoyed getting to meet and interact with the whole community. So, what follows is amongst friends. :-) In general, I take Keith's and David's positions. The two principle concerns in a DI are the relationship of the worshipper to the god *and* the god's perspective of the situation. I've always considered Humakt to be more long sighted than his brethren Zorak Zoran and Storm Bull. I also work from the assumption that folks in Glorantha work pretty much the same as folks in the real world unless noted otherwise. Let us assume the individual making the request is a Death Lord in good standing. He or she has fought many battles, destroyed many undead and welcomed many into the bosom of Humakt. Now, the Death Lord set out to fight a group of Broo, but when the Death Lord advances into the valley, he discovers it is a trap. The Death Lord spies a group of Broo ahead. He cautiously walks forward; it will be a hard battle, but he believes with the help of Humakt, he can prevail. As the Death Lord navigates a narrow gully, several tons of feces and rotten animal carcasses begin raining down on him. The Broos begin hooting and hollering at him. Although he does not *fear* death, the Death Lord sees no honor or benefit to Humakt in being buried in a pile of filth and suffocating. Our hero requests Humakt to send him outside the valley so that he might gather forces and destroy this place. The Humakt who does not allow for tactical retreat via a DI in the face of *overwhelming* odds and certain destruction will promote more cowardice than the Humakt who allows for such provisions. Either than, or Humakt is more properly the God of Suicide and Depression than Truth and Honorable Death. ;-) If Humakt sees no difference between the two then all his worshippers should just go commit suicide. It takes some real courage and an acceptance of death to plunge a short sword into your abdomen and rip out one's own entrails. Since this practice is apparently *not* widespread, let's assume that Humakt makes some distinctions about how death occurs. If the worshippers knew that their god would never spare them from a tactical error (assume the God of Truth does not mislead his worshippers about this!), it would make for a *very* conservative cult (compared to what it *might* be) indeed! I can imagine the conversation around the pickle barrel . . . Initiate: Death Lord, we should go attack that festering hell hole of broo up the road! Their raping our children and cattle! Death Lord: Well . . . Billy, we're not sure how many broo are up there. We lost twenty-seven Humakti up there last year. Let's wait a spell; maybe they'll just go away. Me, I'm enjoying myself. (No, he wouldn't have ended up as a Death Lord in any campaign I ran, but it illustrates the point.) The alternative is a *clever* Humakt, the god, who wishes to promote Honorable Death and Heroism. This god would not only consider the many who the Death Lord might kill if spared, but this Humakt would also *want* to spare Death Lords now and again *just* to make them take more chances! (Forget the d10 thing for a second --- I'm all for having GMs make some tough choices --- asking for a DI does *not* assure the god will grant it, even for a Runelord, and by deciding that Humakt will *never* allow retreat in the face of the enemy, you are also making a hard choice, just a less flexible one. --- Nothing wrong with this mind you, just not my vision of Humakt.) We should not assume the Death Lord who knows Humakt might deliver him is any less heroic than the Death Lord serving the god of suicide. The Death Lord who serves the smarter Humakt could make the same appeal for a deliverance DI to Humakt and be *willing* to accept death if Humakt so wills it (i.e. refuses his request). Even Storm Bull allows his worshippers to avoid overwhelming nests of Chaos, would not the more tactically sophisticated Humakt not be more so inclined? Apologies in advance to all who might take offense. Honestly none intended. Et philos, Rich Staats ------------------------------
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