> The Closedhandist Heresy is hilarious: a piece of perfect Gloranthan
> inspiration. The name is the ideal capstone to the thought itself. These guys
> exist for sure in my Glorantha...
And think about the reprogramming methods the Orthodox will have to
use to make all those horribly deluded dwarves normal again, once
they are back in control.....
Argrath:
> Another popular "dueling" method is what is known in the U.S. as "playing the
> dozens." This is a little ritual of exchanging colorful and witty insults,
> often having to do with the target's mother. Delivery is important, so it's
> hard to give an example in writing. Lots of sexual innuendo. If you can get
> your opponent really angry while amusing the on-lookers (who are key to the
> whole ritual), you score a point.
Applause for that idea.
>
> I generally liked Eric's take on things, except for the implication that
> anyone chooses to be a Eurmali. Few people in Orlanthi society choose their
> life roles, and no one would choose to be a Eurmali.
Here we obviously differ. I do not know if I have more respect for
the rascals than you do, or if it is the word "choose" that we uses
differently. Choosing life roles? I don't know.
.If "circumstances" (and who are they? Arachne Solara? Krasht?
Greg Stafford?) make you an outlaw, you have the choice - no divine
support (remember, you killed your cousin Ed, and Orlanth do not like
"kinstrife") in a world where "the relationship between man and myth
is essential" - or becoming an Eurmali.
And you can say that you made a choice when you killed Ed, or you can
say that you were driven to it by certain events around it.
I think that many Eurmali chose their position as much as Humakti,
Healers, Sages and Traders chose their position, to mention four
other cases in Orlanthi where people do not follow the normal way,
that is Orlanth and Ernalda. Yes, Eurmali are far less respected, so
fewer would perhaps make that choice, but I do not think "noone"
would do it. The village idiots excepted - but you can say that their
idiocy was given them as the death-wish was given those who took the
path of Humakt, or the wish to help that prompted someone to try out
life as a Healer. (Note that I think a large majority of all
worshippers do not really do things because of "things within
themselves" - they actually make similar choices as roleplayers do:
"Humakt gives good help to the warrior who fights outside his clan,
as I want to do. His requirements are harsh, but I am willing to
follow them." Of course, the "Your father worshipped X and you will
follow his path as well" may be common, but we are talking
exceptional cults here, and I think that view belongs mere to the
vanilla O and E cultists.)
EURMAL AND CHILDREN'S TALES
The Finnish author Zacharias Topelius wrote a "play for children"
that I read when I was a kid. I found it in one of my father's
schoolbooks - it was not the kind of story children of my generation
would have gotten, heavy-handedly moralistic in a Victorian way with
a lot of sentimentality of the worst kind. But it contains one
marvellous semi-villain, who first threatens the lives of the heroes,
but then helps them.
The guy is described as a "cannibal" - most translators would have
called him an "ogre". His wife, who is more the normal, suffering
housewife kind, really wishes he would be a normal farmer, but he is
like he is. I'm paraphrasing from memory:
"That he is a sorcerer, that I can stand - he uses his magic mostly
to amuse himself, and sometimes even helps people. And that he is a
robber I can also take, since he mostly steals from other robbers. But
his taste for man-flesh, especially that of children, is the thing I
have most trouble with. Today I have only an old rooster to give him
for dinner, and surely he will begin to growl, and after dinner he
will go out with his big sack to catch himself a poor kid for the
evening meal...."
THERE you have an "amiable" Cacodemonist - or, more to the point of
this discussion, a Trickster outlaw like the one I described
yesterday....
(How the children got out of it? Well, the Brave But Poor Boy (TM)
amuses him (!) when he tries to kill the ogre, who has captured his
friends - he has no real chance of winning, but the guy finds it so
ridiculous that the kid could even THINK of victory, that he bursts
out laughing. Then, his poor wife pleads with him that "if you will
just leave the poor children alone, I'll slaughter the Cristmas Pig
(you anglosaxons would slaughter the Christmas Turkey) for you and
cook it" and he is satisfied with that "pork is also tasty, come to
think of it".)
Erik, who is getting hungry, Sieurin
End of Glorantha Digest V2 #198
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