>Let's recap. As Yinkin is currently written up in official sources he is
>not a hunting cult. In fact all he has is a wishy washy "perceptive" role.
>In that regard Yinkin is not important enough to warrant a cult write-up
>since there is no reason for a substantial number of initiates of his cult
>to exist - for all the reasons given before.
OK, so i misinterpreted what you wrote. I understood it that his current role didn't warrant a write-up, and not a cult. Shamefacedly i realize that this made my comments more of an insult than anything else. I apologize. Obviously the foot was my own.
>>David, this was one of the silliest replies i have ever read. Every god
>>or spirit that has myths and can provide magic are worthy of writing up.
>
>For gawds sake READ my posts. Did I say Yinkin was not worthy of writing
>up AT ALL? I said he was a sub-cult. Maybe you don't write up sub-cults
>but I do...
<With egg on face> I did read your post, but unfortunately i managed to misinterpret it grossly. I must stop reading digests after midnight...
>Do you see where I'm coming from?
Now that i have reread what you wrote and not what i thought you wrote, i do see where you are coming from.
I apologize. This was a bad way of entering 1996.
On to other topics:
David again:
MR>>Nonsense. They still need the old ways, but now they don't have to rely solely on hunting and gathering. Even hsunchen have crafting, cities (of a sort anyway, more like religious centres), trade (albeit limited), laws and institutions.
>They don't need the Old Way. Farming and herding are enough, and Issaries
>can provide the rest. Sure, the Old Way's good to fall back on in real bad
>times, but it isn't necessary.
I hope you are not trying to say that orlanthi neither hunt nor gather? The New Way is the Old Way with new chapters added. It's not a whole new book, just an updated version.
>To suggest that the hsunchen are as civilised as the Orlanthi is foolish.
I did not suggest that. The orlanthi are more evolved that hsunchen, but hsunchen has many of the social institutions, apart from farming and sedentary nature, of more civilised peoples albeit not as refined.
>There is a pattern of evolution in Glorantha from primitive societies to
>more civilised societies. One common path is hsunchen to Orlanthi.
I haven't disagreed with this. And i won't.
>However the general movement in Orlanthi society is toward a more modern
>and "civilised" society. It's the only way to survive when faced by
>societies like the Dara Happans, Lunars, Henotheists or Rokari.
It's not the only way, but it is the most common.
>For me to devote myself wholly to the worship a god in Orlanth's pantheon
>other than Orlanth then that god has to provide a specialisation that I
>can make a living at.
I'd say that livelihood comes first, worship second in this case. A man who gets his livelihood as a potter don't necessarily have to worship the god of pottery. He can worship Orlanth, Elmal or Ernalda or whatever, even if they do not provide a specialisation he can make a living at. Hunters don't have to worship Odayla, even if they probably venerate him. Traders don't have to worship Issaries. Minstrels don't have to worship Donandar.
The choice of god to worship is not exclusively based on what you do for a living. It plays a big part, sure, but personal inclination and cultural pressure plays as big a part.
You get your livelihood from what you do, not from what you worship. Profession and cult are interrelated but they are not the same thing.
For diviners and shamans, cult and magic IS their profession, but that is not necessarily the case for the major professions. Hunting, fighting, crafting, ruling, farming and herding don't require specific cults, even if some cults make these livelihoods much easier.
>Yinkin *must* be a Hunting God. It's a sub-cult of Odalya (or in some
>cases supercedes Odayla as *the* clan hunting cult). Surely we can agree
>on this? His perceptive and scouting skills come from/are at the heart of
>this emphasis on hunting. Yinkini worshippers primarily live by hunting.
Yinkin does not have to be a hunting god. He is, as you say, a minor god and gets most of his worship through secondary worship from people of other cults who for some reason has need of his aid. He doesn't have a defined role, profession-wise, and is thus grafted onto other cults. How he is portrayed in those cults depend on what the cults care to accentuate.
Those who exclusively worship Yinkin, i.e. the Yinkini, are probably hunters, and for them Yinkin is the Hunting God, but that does not imply that Yinkin is exclusively a hunting god, not even for the Yinkini.
Valete
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