In an effort to get the RQDU transcripts as complete as possible, I'd like to ask for some assistance from those of you who attended and spoke at Greg Stafford's Heroquest seminar at RuneQuest Con Down Under.
Below are transcript excerpts of the [unintelligible] parts I can't make out on the audiotape. (It's all because of the Voice of Jeff, I tell you! Aaaargh!) If you recognize what you think may be your words in here, please email me at <pmichaels_at_aol.com>. Please do NOT post your clarifications to the Glorantha Digest.
I'll be grateful for any help.
For the rest of you, I'm sorry about the tease. Hopefully this will make you want to buy the transcripts all the more, once they are available!
Peace,
Peter
AM: The King of Sartar might be from the god[unintelligible].
GS: Yeah.
AM: And isn't that the... I mean, eventually most of the hero [unintelligible] the Fourth Wane [unintelligible].
GS: Yes.
AM: But no one worships Sartar. They worship other gods.
2) Later, there was this interchange:
AM: Is it then fair to say that the process of the Red Goddess was that she became mortal, regained her free will, and then went on to become a greater goddess than before? And are there any other instances of a god becoming mortal to regain free will?
GS: Uh...
[unintelligible - several people talking at once]
GS: She lost most of it.
AM: Yeah, but...
[unintelligible - several people still talking at once]
GS: Not that I can think of that was anywhere near as successful as she was. Except maybe the Pharaoh. Probably not, though.
AM: [unintelligible] become a never ending story, where you lose it and gain it and lose it and gain it?
AM: [unintelligible] the gods you worship now might not be the same gods in a couple hundred years?
GS: Yes, that's possible.
AM: What [unintelligible] are you putting on gods now? Just [unintelligible]?
GS: <pause> The permanence of being.
3) After Greg discussed how to start a hero cult, there was:
AM: What if you go [unintelligible] without worship, and establish yourself on the plane [unintelligible] and just rotate around until [unintelligible]?
GS: Only until your free will goes away. And then you're just lost, because there is nothing to maintain your position in that. And you will just be diminished. You'll wear out. You won't change.
AM: [unintelligible] <laughter>
GS: Uhhh. I don't think so.
AM: [unintelligible] on the mundane-
GS: Well, of course heroes are in the mundane. I mean, that's the whole point of being a hero. You have both divine powers and free will. You're still alive! Life is the origin of will and change. The gods are not alive. They are not alive the way human beings are living. They don't have free will. They can't voluntarily change themselves.
AM: If you [unintelligible]
[unintelligible - several people talking at once]
GS: Divinity is not the same as immortality. But you mean divinity? See, I think that in attaining divinity, no you can't. But if you're immortal, you just live forever. But you don't have worshipers. You're not a god or a worshipped hero.
4) Then someone asked:
AM: Waha and Jaldon, were they both heroes, and Waha went on to be a god and Jaldon never made it? [much unintelligible]
5) Later still:
AM (someone in blue): So, gods don't have to [much unintelligible]. But is it harder to keep a god without worshipers from being [unintelligible] individual heroquest [unintelligible] than a god with normal worshipers.
AM: If they can combine all the worshipers...
AM: Yeah!
GS: Ooh! Good question! I don't know. I don't know if it's easier.
6) Then, during the "giving up free will" debate:
AM: That would make [unintelligible] barbarians try to become like Orlanth. He may not want to give his free will up, but he does want to be like Orlanth. So he's putting himself [unintelligible].
7) When the discussion gets back to herquesting, there is:
AM: You just said that Solar worshippers from can make changes made the trolls null and void. Then why aren't the gods [unintelligible] their worshippers? The troll god is going, "OH FUCK! We've got to do something!" and then-
GS: Trolls swear all the time. <laughter>
AM: - [unintelligible] "I'll get all of my [unintelligible]." And the troll heroquesters go out, and keep on going, and change it 'til... 'til it changes!
GS: They try!
8) And later:
AM: What about Divination? A priest [unintelligible].
GS: I don't quite believe in that. <laughter>
9) Later still:
AM: Do you always have to go to [unintelligible]? Do we always have to meet up at the [unintelligible]? Can't we do Storm Lake, occasionally?
AM: What if you've got [unintelligible]. Can you heroquest to go back and change history [unintelligible]
GS: No. Now, you can go back and rearm yourself, and drag him into it and try to beat him and get your sword back or whatever. But you can't change history.
AM: [unintelligible]
GS: No, not that way. Correct.
AM: [much unintelligible] free will [unintelligible] how do you feel about [unintelligible] now I'm ready to go heroquesting, or [more unintelligible]
GS: I don't know, really.
AM: That's what I was thinking about. Instead of having a mountain of free will that you start off with and it goes down, you start off with "you can do anything" and then an option is cut off, is cut off, is cut off, until eventually you can only do certain things.
AM: [unintelligible] choose to break them. Can you? Can you choose to break your own geases?
AM: Yes!
GS: But if you break them, you die. <laughter>
[unintelligible- multiple people talking]
AM: There is another way of looking at that as well. Say I've got a 20 attribute in Lust, which is opposed by Chastity. Say you realize that you've got a culture... You realize that by following your god you should be Chaste. [unintelligible] But then, you are Illuminated and have this world-shattering change. "In this situation, it would be evil for me to be Chaste. I must be Lusty with this [unintelligible]'s wife! Because it is culturally appropriate for me here" [unintelligible] And if I go home, my [much unintelligible]
GS: I'm not exactly clear where the conflict is. I'm confused a little bit.
AM: It was in Book of the Lost Cause [unintelligible]
GS: It was?
AM: He has, somewhere in writing, [unintelligible].
AM: The Malkioni, do they know about heroquesting? Surely they're not [unintelligible] the other gods, or the other pagans, as spirits?
During the discussion of free will:
AM: So, what, the dragonewts are giving up all their free will
to [unintelligible]?
During the discussion on resurrection:
AM: The dragonewts [unintelligible]
End of Glorantha Digest V2 #529
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