time and orlanth

From: Peter Metcalfe <P.Metcalfe_at_student.canterbury.ac.nz>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:41:06 +1200


Lewis Jardine:

SP>> This quite possibly applies to their view of the GodTime as well
>>[ie believ in days and nights in the godtime].

>Not if they believe their mythology.

And I heard a voice crying out in the wilderness 'But their mythology has days and nights in it! What were all those passages I quoted from KoS? Hallucinations?'

>Remember that Yelm going to Hell is the model for Days and Nights.

Not necessarily. *Now* it is. *Then* the Storm Age Days and Nights may have been dependant on the Sky Dome or another celestial body, frex Entekos/'Black' Dendara.

Martin Laurie:


>Until the First Council met up with Dara Happa - Yelm was not the original foe
>of Orlanth - just the Emperor which makes one believe that the proto-Orlanthi
>had been dominated by Empire in the past and were anti-imperial.

IMO, the original sense (in the Orlanthi PoV) meant tyrant or strongman which then acquired their imperial meaning when they came into contact with the Pelorians.

>Orlanth probably existed as a guy back in the ice age or earlier. (I
>think Loren postulated this). He died and was heroworshipped. He
>became a worshipped ancestoral spirit.

I agree with this picture. In addition, I think that Orlanth the man became conflated with the powers of the wind to become Orlanth the Storm God. There's evidence that this process happened to other Orlanthi heroes and Orlanth won by a pattern of attrition. In KoS, the storm enemy of the Grazers is Wingkoalad which appears to be their name for Vingkot. Now Orlanthi would laugh at the idea that Vingkot was a god but they do have a god called Kolat who is rather shamanic in origin. So what the Orlanthi seem to have done is to have borrowed the myths of Vingkot and paste them onto Orlanth. Some other storm heroes are Erlandus and Humath...

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