Re: Londra
David Dunham write:
>I've tried to figure out which clan she's from. Part of the problem is
that
>Londros isn't in Colymar lands! (For those who don't have the maps
>from Tales, TotRM5.3 has Londros on the road between Harvest
>Home and Quackford. This appears to be solidly in Lismelder lands,
>according to TotRM6.7.
The map in Tales #5 was actually done by Jon Quaife based on Greg Stafford's original. Londros is not marked on the original map so I'm not sure if Jon made it up or found out about it from Greg.
I prefer to believe that Londros is located correctly on the Tales #5 map. I propose that at the time of Londra's birth the Bayberry clan was part of the Colymar tribe (perhaps having been part of another tribe a few decades before). However, during the reign of Terasarin the clan left the Colymar and joined the Lismelder tribe.
This would mean that Londra could claim to be of the Colymar, but also explain why the Bayberry are not listed as a clan of the Colymar in KoS. I'm happy to adopt the Bayberry into the Lismelder tribe! (I reckon ducks are rather partial to bayberries too.)
Note: Londra's birthday is shown as 1605 in an issue of Wyrms Footnotes - which is patently silly since she would only have been seven when she started adventuring!
Re: Gloranthan conformity
Graham Wren in #32:
>I feel that the Gloranthan "novels" are being treated as
>doctrine, rather than ways of fleshing out the mythologies
>of Glorantha.
In fact, each of these "novels" has been written from a Gloranthan point of view. All anyone can do is try and interpret and re-interpret these books endlessly without knowing, for sure, the One True World truth of the matter (probably because there isn't one). In point of fact, the truth lies in the prevailing beliefs of wherever you happen to be at the time. When I'm in Sartar then the Orlanthi pantheon is true and works, when I'm in the Lunar Empire their pantheon works.
It can be fun looking at the cross-overs and similarities between pantheons (the root of Experimental Heroquesting), but only so much fun. After a while such discussions become pretty pointless IMO, unless there *is* a HQ at the end of it!
>I am saying that I cannot take this all as dogma, like
>others seem to do.
Unfortunately, there are parts of Glorantha that you have to accept as dogma for the framework of the world to exist and allow expansion. Things like the fact that Glorantha exists at all, that magic works, historical facts such as the apotheosis of the Red Goddess, the geographical fact that Prax is mostly desert, and (probably) that Trolls do find rocks nutritional.
Without some ground rules we can have no consensus on the base Glorantha which we can then co-operatively develop with Greg, or which we can customise for our individual use. This mailing list would not exist if there were not a core Glorantha that we can all identify with (even if this differs slightly for all of us).
Of course, after this things get woolly. IMO not everything can or should be defined in Glorantha. There should be no One True World or master plan for the World Machine imposed upon us as dogma.
But where do you draw the line between defining the core Gloranthan dogma and allowing flexibility. Beats me! But I am on the "gimme more flexibility" side of fence!
All Hail the Flexible Moon!
David Hall
End of Glorantha Digest V4 #44
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