Peter Metcalfe <P.Metcalfe_at_student.canterbury.ac.nz> writes:
> Why not? The Carmanians do get some of their gods from Fronela.
True. Many of the EthTelsen accompanied the anabasis eastward. Cloud Father was one. I'm not sure what we would call that deity in 3rd age terms, but I'm getting ideas. I believe that Humakt as introduced to Fronela by Talor was another.
> We know that there was a Ralian influence in Fronela since the
> Chaos Wars (from Talor's expedition into Ralios) and before if
> my story about Arkat's father is correct. So there's plenty
> of scope for a cult of Humakt in Carmania even if he is called
> something exotic like Humct.
I think Humct was a sorceror who attempted to defeat death by switching places with Humakt, but the ducks spotted his deception and that's why ducks are blessed of the Humakt cult. So... please no Carmanian Humct except among the (whisper) gloom worshippers of the lord of black abominations.
David Cake <davidc_at_cyllene.uwa.edu.au> writes:
> Its worth noting that Syranthir himself performs a 'severing of his kin'
> with an iron sword, which sounds sort of Humakti, and predates the founding
> of modern Carmania.
Sure does sound pretty darn Humakti doesn't it?
Now the reason that I am certain that the Carmanian Humakt is identical to the Dragon Pass Humakt is multiform:
> If the Carmanians pronounce Humakt Hamakz or something, and have
> some Carmanian dualist hang up about him, and have a slightly
> different code of behaviour (they are probably even more opposed to
> ambushes, given the Carmanian attitude to Dart Competitions, for
> example), then that is cool with everyone.
This was one of my mental blocks when writing up my carmanian material. How would a dualistic cult work? Would it be some form of These things are Forbidden in some circumstances and Mandatory in others? For instance.
Never ambush during the summer, and ambush at least one enemy in the winter.
I'd love to see what other people have to think about this.
> But I have to say I would never describe Carmanos as 'similar' to
> Humakt. Carmanos is a deity of the Karmanoi, not the Hazzars. He is not a
> great grim death god, but a hero known for many things, including being a
> fertile founder of a dynasty.
Exactly! And we will never know what his cult was like, though I believe that Yolanela thinks she does.
Anyway, thanks to David and the others for their able defense of the currently existing Carmanian materials that Nick Brooke and Paul Reilly and I came up with and I organized and wrote down on my website.
Cheers,
Loren
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