> Or is it a "plot" by the Argan Argarites? Since trollish prices are in
> bolgs for trolls and clacks for humans at Goggleguts, are bolgs basically
> just a way to skin the worthless Humans out of some dough? For that
> matter, since an AAer can buy up all the worthless bolgs Humans acquire
> dirt cheap then use them for money among trolls, there's profit to be had.
Exactly - that's why troll merchants can survive on incredibly low profit margins (DDT Enterprises is based on this).
Peter Metcalfe:
>>OK, if we accept that, I'm still curious as to why the
>>dragonewts are associated with water. It doesn't seem
>>natural. Any good takes on that?
>
> Because they were originally ordinary newts who worshipped
> the river and later draconized themselves under the tutelage
> of the Dragons that originally lived there? Explains the
> relationship between the Newtlings (who can speak Auld Wyrmish
> up to 50%) and the Dragonewts IMO.
What???? You cannot actually believe this? I know that bad Dragonewts are occasionally reborn as newtlings, but this is beyond a joke. Dragonewts are born of immature Dragon Eggs laid by immature Dragons. This is their very nature. Why would they be draconized newtlings?
Creation of Storm Rune:
>> Still doesn't feel right to me. Umath's path, ok, but up the Spike, not on
>> the Sky Dome. (If the Yuthuppans are right about the golden sky dome, no
>> stars would have been visible there, in any case.)
Umath's Path was DOWN the Spike, from the central point out to the farthest reaches of the world. Imagine standing on the Spike and pushing upwards, staggering beneath the load and moving across the whole world.
> I don't understand as this is what Orlanth's Ring now does. Why
> shouldn't it be doing what it did in the Good Old days rather than
> having to mirror what some two-bit demigod did when he climbed up
> some molehill?
"Two-bit demigod"? Strange description of the father of Storm, but never mind. What do you mean about the "Old Days"? What do you think Orlanth's Ring is/was? You say it was a planet - which one, why is it now a collection of stars and what happened to it? I thought it was created by Orlanth as a symbol of his power and as such travelled how he wanted it to.
On Myths:
Perhaps I am wrong, but I like the idea of a world where the gods walked and did various things as fact. I also like the idea that various cultures recorded those actions and deeds in whatever means they used and pass the stories down to the current time.
Obviously, certain deeds will be mis-remembered or mis-interpreted and even recorded incorrectly, but on the whole the record will be accurate. Many deeds will be interpreted within cultural bounds - the Orlanthi see Yelm as an Evil Emperor and Orlanth as the Bringer of Freedom and the Yelmites see Yelm as being the Good Emperor and Orlanth as an evil troublemaker/terrorist. However, once you cut through all the cultural differences, there is a core of truth - what actually happened in the God Time.
I supose it depends on what we define myths as. Are they the beliefs of a people, irrational and products of the cultural psyche (whatever that is) or are they memories of what happened many years ago or in mythical ages past? In the Real World, myths are the former. In Glorantha they are the latter.
Simon Hibbs:
> You passionately believe that there is a single objective Gloranthan
> historical/mythical truth which you want to discover.
Not at all. Glorantha is a game world in which I am interested, nothing more nothing less. It helps me as a GM to know the objective truths behind the mythology and makes gaming easier. It matters neithe rone way nor the other to me as a person expect as part of an enjoyable hobby.
>>>Why? What is wrong with having more than one Sun God [...] and so on?
>>
>>So are Allah, Brahma, Nam and Jehovah different gods? Or would you
>>rather say that the people who worship these beings belong to different
>>cults?
>
>Good point. I am again reminded of the story of the blind men and the
>elephant already alluded to.
First of all, I do not accept that the aforementioned Real World deities are the same - they are different. (As a Mormon, I believe that Jehovah and Allah are very distinct - by the nature of Jehovah, but I do not want to discuss Real World theology.)
Second, as they are different deities they would have different cults.
Third, as for the blind men and the elephant - that analogy is only relevant if you accept that the deities are part of a single whole. Jainism has this as part of its belief system, most people do not. Certainly in Gloranthan terms, if you tried to show that the Invisible God was part of the same thing as Wakboth or Storm Bull then you would have problems.
What if there were two elephants, or an elephant and a turtle? Things would be very different.
Anyway, got to go - nearly time to go home.
Simon
If it has stats it can be killed.
If it is in the rules it can be abused.
If it is mentioned it can be targetted.
People can change the world and screw up the Timeline.
Restrictions are for NPCs, not for PCs.
Taking Power Gaming to new extremes (in a sensitive, role-playing way, of course)
End of Glorantha Digest V4 #221
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