and Guy Hoyle comments that
>This is a rather short-sighted view, IMNSHO. Sorry you can't find
>the older stuff, but it's still a part of Glorantha!
I have (nearly) all the old stuff i want to have, and i definitely think the material contained therein is still a part of Glorantha. Otherwise i wouldn't have paid in blood to get it.
>Yes, we should
>be better at explaining the old stuff, but this "I don't have it so
>it doesn't exist" attitude is carrying things way too far. There's
>way too much precious Glorantha lore that's OOP to simply dismiss out
>of hand.
You're reading way too much into what i wrote. I just said that the OOP stuff can't be Gloranthan Gospel (tm) since it isn't available. Hence it can't be used as official material. Furthermore, quite a lot of the old stuff is obsolete due to gregging.
You can't claim that something is to be true in our shared Glorantha, and base its validity be referring to [insert favourite obscure OOP source here]. The WF14 article on dragonewts is as valid as my imagination when it comes to being true in our shared Glorantha, i.e. not at all.
In my personal Glorantha, the article may be fully valid, but it can't be in the consensual Glorantha created on the digest.
David Weihe says that
>If *AVALON*HILL* reprinting it is the definition of what's "official" then
>quit quoting what appears in the fanzines, too, especially where it disagrees
>with the four inch column in the now-infallible GoG. At least, quit quoting
>what TotRM said in *their* out-of-print issues. And of course, if some
>other magazine stops publishing then anything in IT becomes unmentionable,
>as well.
More misreading. Of course people can quote whatever from wherever. The OOP stuff is *useful*, but it is no longer *true* (if anything ever was).
What irritates me is when people try to thrash or 'correct' someone else's idea by quoting scripture. When i proposed, in one of my versions of my orlanthing (1) ritual calendar, that springtime, for the orlanthing, begins with Orlanth's HHD, some jerk (i don't remember his name) said that my ideas "didn't hold water" (one of the milder remarks) since in Cults of Prax it says that spring begins with the first day of Sea Season. Not only is CoP obsolete due to general non-availability, but that piece of 'truth' has been thoroughly gregged, since the vernal equinox is said to be in the middle of Sacred Time.
That's why i feel that OOP stuff is useful, but *unofficial* material. If i propose an idea i like, i don't want to meet a gloranthophilic equivalent of bible-thumpers. The old stuff is filled with good information that isn't true anymore, that's all.
>Or is this all a plot to get those of us who bought RuneQuest 1 & 2
>materials back then to sell them, so you can pick them up cheap? :-)
Just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you.
(1) I propose the word 'orlanthing' to describe the people for whom Orlanth is the chief god, and 'orlanthi' as describing those who are initiated into Orlanth's mysteries/ cult/ church/ whatever. It creates less misunderstandings.
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