How would you get Oakfed or Pole Star (from Prax) home? Ask nicely to accompany you...
>2) It looks to me as if he eventually put it into that giant stone ram
>that guards the Flame (well, there's three of them, but only one animates
>to protect Salinarg at his coronation). The Ram seems to fit, being a
>creature Orlanth nicked from the sea, but how did he transfer the spirit
>from its carrier to the ram? Or did he put it in the ram to start with,
>and then have the thing follow him back all the way?
Why put it into any object? If it is a spirit for the land, you bind it to the land, not some measly statue. The statues might have served as a minor physical manifestation, but I doubt that. Think big.
>3) A bit less practical: the Westfaring given as the start of the LBQ
>doesn't seem to involve acquiring spirits and taking them home. Am I
>missing something as usual, or is this a different myth?
Considering that the LBQ brought back Yelm, a deity, a spirit or lesser deity seems ok. I don't think Sartar did the whole LBQ. I find it more likely that he did only the steps necessary to contact Ginna Jar - it appears at the end of the Westfaring, if I recall correctly. Whether he actually formed a Ginna Jar or transformed an existing spirit into his principality's Ginna Jar is probably a well-guarded family secret of the Sartarite royals.
>4) Do we agree that this giant protective spirit was destroyed in 1602?
This would have been extremely un-Lunar. I might agree if the Crimson Bat had had its meal in Boldhome, the logical "seat" of the spirit, but the Bat had been eaten by a dragon (or at least driven away).
Usually the Lunars incorporate (or "enslave", if you want to hear the anti-Lunar voice) any local godlets and put them to their work. If they are unconvenient, they usually hamper the spirit, but keep the useful bits.
>5) If we do, is replacing it a prerequisite to re-lighting the Flame?
Depends on the exact nature of the Flame of Sartar. If it is the manifestation of the wyter of Sartar's principality, then the spirit introduced by Sartar would have part in it, and (King) Sartar melded with it upon lighting his pyre. If the flame is mainly the manifestation of the apotheosized Prince of the Quivini, reviving or replacing the spirit might help, but wouldn't be prerequisite.
>6) If we agree with that, when did Kallyr acquire it? I can't really see
>her picking it up in the 1614-1625 period and keeping it in storage.
Presuming that the spirit brought by Sartar during his crown test is required to relight the flame, Kallyr may have tried for it during her short LBQ, and for the looks of it failed. Which may be why she cheated and had Orlanth replace the spirit in 1627...
But see above for "storing" such a spirit. It would be equally potent as the White Bear god worn as a cloak by Harrek, if it is of any use to an entire country, and entities of this strength normally are negotiated with rather than bound, Harrek being the exception to the rule.
>And
>she didn't have time to do the job herself post-Brown Dragon. Ideas?
There is lots of unaccounted-for time in her reign after her death at Old Top. She may even have used her unvoluntary visit to Pole Star (which is IMO what happened to her after her death in battle) to roam a bit with allies from above, and return not only sound and safe (a trick proficient heroquesters in the old concept about heroquesting would, and should, have learned once they'd established themselves), but with a valuable ally - but several weeks late, and finding herself declared dead and gone.
>Would this make a high-level PC scenario for 1625, for instance?
You could always have a party of PCs work towards such an end as a scenario. Usually rituals this big require lots of preparation and parallel efforts.
Which leads me to the current heroquesting rules debate:
Is it possible to support one group of questers by having another group of questers perform a related quest?
The only example I can think of right now is very high-powered, but wouldn't it help a Lightbringers' Quest if another group of questers performed I Fought We Won parallely?
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