heros and their mummies (and muffins)

From: David Cake <davidc_at_cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 21:22:39 -0800


Mike and I disagree over whether heroes inevitably drift off to the hero plane.

>Well, I have assumed this from descriptions that Greg has given of the
>usual course of a hero's career.

        Greg throws dozens of ideas around, many of them just thrown in the air, some of them even rather silly. Just because Greg thought thats how it might be once means very little - Greg is still trying to settle on many of these ideas too.

>I think the heroes who have long
>careers are the exception rather than the rule.

        Oh, I agree. But I think heroes that drift off to the heroplane are the exception rather than the rule too. I think most heroes do a heroquest or two, and then decide that as they have now achieved their major aims, they would rather not risk their life anymore, thanks.

>If this isn't so then will someone explain to me why Pavis isn't still
>the ruler of his city today.

        Hey, I didn't say it never happened, I said I didn't think it was inevitable. I'm sure various people (like Pavis) eventually decide that they would rather dwell on the heroplane.

>And I'm not able to recall an example of a Hero who dies on the Mundane
>Plane and still goes on being worshipped (well, outside of Malkioni
>Saints that is).

        Well, one of the problems is that killing a true hero on the mundane plane really doesn't have a lot of effect. There are several examples of heroes who die on the mundane plane, and not only go on being worshipped, but return from the dead. Takenegi, Arkat. Though Takenegi is a good example of a hero who dies yet goes on being worshipped, depending on your attitude to his 'succession'. Those that die permanently tend to not only die physically, but have their magic well and truly messed up as well (Jannisor, for example).

>Go on, deluge me with couter examples.....

        Peter Metcalfe does so more ably than I.I'll just briefly add Balazar and Carmanos. The Only Old One (currently dead and still granting magic) should qualify, though I Mike thinks he doesn't count on a technicality

        And on the subject of the OOO - it says he ' proved himself to be a troll in magical contest with Kajak-ab Brain Eater' and David says that thus maybe the one who fought Kajak-ab was thus a troll. I don't know about you, but if you actually ARE a troll, you probably don't need magical combat to prove it. I think the comment implies that the OOO is not obviously a troll in the normal mundane visible sense, but was able to prove his trollishness somehow.

David also talks about the alleged mummies of Esrolia
>> Certainly you mean the mummies of previous incaranations...
>
>I hope not. I don't see Esrolia as hot and/or dry enough to have natural
>mummification (though I don't know what Belintar's homeland is like), but
>in any case, I dislike the Egypt identification that seems to have spread
>thanks to the title of the Pharaoh.

        Actually, I like the mummies of Esrolia not because of the Egypt reference, but because
a) The Ty Kora Tek cult is the only group we know to be skilled at preparation of dead bodies specifically, thus the one most likely to be skilled at mummification.
and
b) there is a Necropolis in Esrolia, which sounds like the sort of place that mummies might live (and I can't think of a better candidate).

        I agree that the Egypt identification is a bit overdone, but I don't mind it in moderation. And I want the Necropolis to be full of mummies. I've been meaning to set an adventure there for ages.

and finally, Bill says
>As for Australian toaster biscuits, let me just say that I was born in
>>Australia and have lived all my life here and have never ever heard of an
>>'Australian toaster biscuit'. Perhaps the original poster was confusing
>them >with pop tarts?

        No, I'm Australian, born and bred, and I have definately sighted these 'Australian Toaster Biscuits', and they greatly resemble what you describe as a muffin (the flat bready sort of muffin), and are nothing at all like a pop tart (which is a vile American thing mostly useful as an incendiary device).

        Cheers

                David


Powered by hypermail