re: James
you are right, Lemmy is a troll, or at least he ought to be...
Sorry, but your arguments against Rap simply don't hold water... ALL trolls are opressed. ('cept for a couple in the basement of the Castle of lead, but they don' hardly count...) so there would be sufficient urban angst to generate it. You just have to substitute Lead chains and rings for the gold, and yo pimpin' ;-b
"Food Song" is probably the trollish equivilent to "Stairway to Heaven" (hmm Lead Zeppelin is a great band-name too...)
and Troll Country is just WAY to freightening to think about... Q: What do you get when you sing an Uz song Backwards? A: You get your home back, you get your Wife back, you get yourFertility back...
re: Loren
If "Rock and Roll Part 2" is the song I'm thinking of, the troll version would have to go something like "Lots of Foo - ood, Yeah!... Lots of Food!"
re: Tim
The Chemical Brothers couldn't possibly be a Troll Band... Not with all those Black Elves SO much better qualified to take the name ;-) "whoo-hoo! Rave in the Mushroom Patch! Featuring DJ Two-Tonne, with sound courtesy of Ty Cora Tech.."
on a more serious note (sorta...) I suppose that the UzUz might sponsor huge choirs of Surgi/magically altered enlo/uzko/do like the Moorcock's Melnibonean Royalty did. I've always loved that Idea for some reason, and I can't think of anyone in a better position to get away with it than the Eldest Mothers in their deepest hells... and the range of notes available -- enlo "tweeters", Uzdo for sub-sonics, and perhaps some captured Telmori as "Woofers" (ugh! I need to stop now...)
danm
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> The Glorantha Digest Saturday, September 6 1997 Volume 05 :
> Number 143
>
>
>
> TABLE OF CONTENTS
>
> David Dunham spelling monkey Pamaltelan dogs
>
> Stephen Martin Pamaltelan Creatures
>
> James Frusetta Re: Uz Toons
>
> Bill.McKinley_at_mailhost.dp New brain please
>
> Guy Hoyle Morokanth Hero Quest
>
> Simon Bray Pmalatelan Animals
>
> Bernuetz, Oliver: WPG RE: Herbs
>
> Bernuetz, Oliver: WPG Herd Men? Why sure I've heard of men, w
>
> Erik Nolander Teleos
>
> Arf maps (and rules - sorry)
>
> TTrotsky_at_aol.com More Fun With Severed Heads
>
> Loren Miller Troll Music
>
> Peter Metcalfe Wolves and Dogs
>
> Tim Ellis McMonkey Burger
>
> Tim Ellis Troll Rap
>
> Tim Ellis Healing Herbs
>
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:33:26 -0700
> From: David Dunham <dunham_at_pensee.com>
> Subject: spelling monkey Pamaltelan dogs
>
> Guy Hoyle noted
>
> > I keep alternating between the spellings "Morokanth" and
> > "Morocanth"
>
> I prefer the former, though it may be in print less often.
>
> Speaking of spelling, some of us have had discussions on the correct
> spelling of Babeester Gor (this spelling occurs often enough I'm
> convinced
> it's right). At Glorantha-Con V, Greg Stafford read from one of his
> new
> myths. He lost his place at one point and started a sentence over. One
> time
> it came out of his mouth as "Barbeester," the other as "Babeester."
>
>
> Michael Cule wrote
>
> > how do you feel about monkeys and apes? They are our cousins and few
> > and far between are the humans who will treat them as a food source.
>
> Really? I assume you're not counting the fact that few and far between
> are
> the humans who have the opportunity to hunt and eat them.
>
> Some Hsunchen (like the Damali) hunt and eat their totem animals; some
> (like the Telmori) don't.
>
>
> Simon Bray wondered (of Pamaletla)
>
> > What do people use as beasts of burden? Not horses, but what about
> oxen? I
> > guess that man power is the most common.
>
> Why wouldn't people use horses on the north coast? And probably mules,
> given the Issaries influence in earlier years.
>
> Your list doesn't include domesticated cattle; this would suggest that
> none
> of the transplanted Umathelans came from Esrolia/Heortland or Ralia.
> (Which
> is quite possible -- Wenelia and Fronela are still possibilities for
> their
> origin.)
>
>
> Stephen Martin opined
>
> > The Telmori Spirit(s) and the Dog Spirit(s) are completely separate
> > entities. However, just as on Earth, at one time in the past they
> were
> > the same, or at least were the same species. But Dogs betrayed their
> > brothers (so the Wolves say), and now there is only enmity. I have
> never
> > quite figured out how Dogs might defend this betrayal.
>
> Dogs are just as much pack animals -- they just have a human pack.
> They
> probably see wolves as spurners of friendship.
>
> David Dunham <mailto:dunham_at_pensee.com>
> Glorantha/RQ page: <http://www.pensee.com/dunham/glorantha.html>
> Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- Albert Einstein
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 21:55:04 EDT
> From: ilium_at_juno.com (Stephen Martin)
> Subject: Pamaltelan Creatures
>
> Pamaltelan Creatures
>
> References are made to Yranian Leapers, who either were or rode some
> sort
> of leaping creature.
>
> If the Loper People of Genertela indeed were originally descended from
> the Veldangs of Pamaltela (implied in some old, unpublished writings),
> Lopers might also be found in Pamaltela. Not that I want to get into a
> debate over what Lopers are, mind you.
>
> Really bad RQ1/2 stats exist for a number of creatures, the best of
> which
> (only the Watchwere, I think) were used in Pamaltela Book. And they
> probably aren't even close, I didn't look. Most of these creatures
> have
> really dumb names, IMO, such as Ib-spol-ata and things like that.
> There
> is a very large bird with two monkey tails, and similar things we can
> probably safely ignore.
>
> Dinosaurs are fairly common in the western end. We know for a fact
> that
> Rhinos and Lions are found on the plains, and Tales supposes zebras in
> one of the Notes from Notchet's. There were horses at one point, but I
> doubt any survive today. I support the idea of Giraffes, Antelopes,
> and
> sundry other African herd creatures. Jackals and/or hyenae are also
> likely.
>
> Camels seem to close to earth for my liking; though they would be
> somewhat appropriate in Fonrit, I would prefer something else. No
> llamas
> either, IMO.
>
> >From Simon's list -- DOMESTICATED where?
>
> Guinea Pigs are not one I would have come up with, but all of the
> others
> seem OK. Probably lots more he missed, too.
>
>
> Stephen Martin
> ilium_at_juno.com
> - -----------------------------------------------
> The Book of Drastic Resolutions
> drastic_at_juno.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 23:09:28 -0400 (EDT)
> From: James Frusetta <gerakkag_at_wam.umd.edu>
> Subject: Re: Uz Toons
>
> Daniel McCluskey doubts the aesthetics of Uz metalheads (with good
> reason):
>
> But the clear rebuttle: Lemmy. If he's not a troll of some sort, I'm
> scared. ;) And that Motorhead thingee on the covers sorta looks like
> a
> troll...
>
> Problem with Rap, of course, is that trolls don't do the thick
> gold-chain
> wearing thing -- and their own oppressed class isn't in a position to
> squawk about it. Typical trollish rap might be something along the
> line
> of:
> Rap Trollkin: "I aintcha dinner, can't you see--"
> Annoyed Troll: "Shut up, and get inside o' Me. <Gulp>"
> Making for very short careers.
>
> In fact... thinking of urban, gold-loving, oppressed groups, the one
> that
> springs to mind is the DH lower classes. So all the Gloranthan rappers
> are
> actually hanging about Lunar land, I suggest. ;)
>
> > Also, the "Satanic" "Demon-Worshipper" thing would be really
> > boring to the uz. If you really want to tweak out Mom, you need to
> > write songs about sunshine and Fluffy Bunnies, where everyone lives
> > happily ever after... Mebbe Donovan, or Pizzicato Five... "Sunshine
> > Superman"... now THAT is gunna torque mom Real good ;-)
> What was I thinking! Clearly, it's Aldrya and not ol' Scratch that'll
> make
> the album covers. And what Trollish rebel band *doesn't* have an
> album
> entitled "Foodsong?"
>
>
> So if it's not metal, and not rap, is it country? Trolls bewailing the
> Curse o' Kin with "Yer Cheating Womb" and "Mommas, don't let your
> babies
> turn out to be Trollkin" or commemorating Kingtroll with "Achy
> Breaky Arkat"?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 14:10:13 +1000
> From: <Bill.McKinley_at_mailhost.dpie.gov.au>
> Subject: New brain please
>
> New brain please
> 4/9/97
> Olof Nergard said:
> > This sounds like the "War with the Cthorr" series by David Gerrold,
> I
> > think. Its a great description about herdification of the humans.
>
> (Bill slaps his head, sends out for a new brain) That's the one! It's
> not bad, but I remember that it was dreadfully didactic.
>
> Cheers
> Bill McKinley
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:08:29 +0000
> From: "Guy Hoyle" <ghoyle1_at_mail.airmail.net>
> Subject: Morokanth Hero Quest
>
> I have an idea for a Morokanth heroquest that I've been kicking
> about, but I don't know where it's going, really. The whole notion
> is based on the cool idea of a Morokanth running around with awakened
> herd beasts from other tribes. This seems to me to be a magically
> powerful idea in that it is a flouting of the results of Waha's
> covenant. I think that a Heroquest might be possible that somehow
> undoes the Covenant. What the ramifications would be would be
> anybody's guess. Perhaps the Morokanth's goal is to create a tribe
> of intelligent animals somewhere.
>
> It's a raw, untested concept, and I have no clues about what to do
> with it; perhaps I've been thinking too much like a herd-man lately
> to think like a morokanth.
> - ----------------------------------
> Guy Hoyle (guyhoyle_at_iname.com)
> http://web2.airmail.net/ghoyle1/
> Visit The Gamemaster's Bookshelf
> and the PANGAEA Project!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 05:14:24 -0400
> From: Simon Bray <101635.32_at_compuserve.com>
> Subject: Pmalatelan Animals
>
> Hi All,
>
> Sandy has deprived me of most of my favourite animals eg. the Camel,
> Giraffe, Antelope, Zebra. I remember there being a disicussion about
> camels
> some time ago, does anybody remember where you do find them.
>
> In response to Sandy what about Litoperms such as Thoatherium the
> pseudo-horse, Macrauchenia like a camel with a trunk and the bulky
> Toxodons?
>
> Of the Rhino family do we find the horse like Moropus in Pamaltela?
> As for
> hippopotami I am keeping them swimming in the Garguna River if it
> kills me,
> there is nothing more terrifying than Hippo hunting for my Fonritan
> players.
>
> I take it that their are some pretty nasty predators in Pamaltela.
> The
> Sabre Tooth I know of, Midget Slashers probably take down plenty, as
> do all
> those freaky chaos beasts. But what others exist?
>
> Are primates common? I think so, small apes, baboons, Gorillas in the
> mountains, perhaps even some of the really nasty prehistoric primates
> (my
> dad?)
>
> Anyhow I will stop being sop demanding.
> Cheers Simon Bray.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:13:22 -0400
> From: Bernuetz.Oliver_at_cbsc.ic.gc.ca (Bernuetz, Oliver: WPG)
> Subject: RE: Herbs
>
> Jane Williams said:
> >Also, who would be interested in my producing a much more detailed
> >listing of healing herbs and their uses, preparation, cultivation,
> etc.?
> >Along with descriptions of the illnesses they cure? The rules-effects
> will
> >be no different to what we already have, I just want the atmosphere.
> >Would anyone else use it?
>
> I'd be interested Jane. It's been in the back of my mind to do
> something
> like that myself but I'm lazy so I was going to use the information
> included
> in Powers and Perils. (Hey, people may scoff but we had fun playing
> that
> system. Nothing like a party almost entirely composed of Ubermenschen
> (just one individual who was normal sized) who had to travel with an
> ox
> cart full of cheese-best food value to weight ratio-or risk starving
> to
> death)
>
> P&P has an extensive list of plants, animals parts and gems and their
> special qualities.
>
> There used to be two really good Internet sites for herbal info but
> having
> just checked they both seem to have vanished into the ether.
>
> Oliver D. Bernuetz
> bernuetz.oliver_at_cbsc.ic.gc.ca
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 15:31:55 -0400
> From: Bernuetz.Oliver_at_cbsc.ic.gc.ca (Bernuetz, Oliver: WPG)
> Subject: Herd Men? Why sure I've heard of men, w
>
> Sure it's a bad pun are there any good ones?)
>
> >>Bill McKinley sez:
> >>Many years ago, I read a trashy post-apocalyptic science fiction
> >>novel in which the cataclysmic disaster (whatever it was) caused
> some
> >>humans to withdraw into themselves, suppress their intelligence,
> and
> >>roam in herds as fixed-INT creatures.
>
> >Olof Nergard said
>
> >This sounds like the "War with the Cthorr" series by David
> Gerrold, I
> >think. Its a great description about herdification of the humans.
>
> There's also "I, weapon" by Charles W. Runyon which I read years ago.
> It also has "herd men" and the humans herding them of course have
> taboos against sex with them, etc., etc. It struck me as a good read
> when
> I read it but that was quite some time ago.
>
> Speaking of herd men it strikes me that the closest you'd get to herd
> men
> in the RW are RW baboons. Okay, so they're a lot more aggressive than
> herd men would probably be but perhaps the morocanths have bred
> aggression out. Dietarily and behavior wise I think they'd be a
> pretty
> close match. They couldn't possibly be monogamous because the
> morocanths don't allow all the male calves(?) to grow up. The male-
> female ratio would probably be pretty bad. The question is how would
> you herd baboons? (Very carefully I'd imagine). Herd men don't have
> the natural weaponry a baboon has and their diet probably contains
> more
> vegetation than a baboon's. Still they're the closest the RW comes to
> a
> plains dwelling, group living primate.
>
> I don't agree with Sandy about them being long lived. I know it's not
> an
> obvious connection but my feeling is that along with the curse of
> fixed
> intelligence you get a reduced lifespan. Morocanths live about as
> long
> as humans don't they? I don't imagine tapirs live as long as humans
> though.
>
> I would imagine that freeing a bison's intelligence might increase
> their
> lifespan
> as well.
>
> Just my two cents worth.
>
> Oliver D. Bernuetz
> bernuetz.oliver_at_cbsc.ic.gc.ca
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> ------
> Fresser's Laws of Dining:
>
> 1) If it doesn't move and it's not nailed down, eat it.
> 2) If it moves and others are eating it, eat it.
> 3) If no one else is around and you want to eat something nailed down,
> go for it!
> 4) To live is to dine, to dine is to live.
> 5) When in Raibanth, do like the Raibanthi.
>
> >From Fresser's Gourmet Guide to Glorantha
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> -------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 02:25:28 PDT
> From: "Erik Nolander" <eriknolander_at_hotmail.com>
> Subject: Teleos
>
> Dear Gloranthaphiles,
>
> Ive recently started working on some information about Teleos, based
> on
> the rather brief and contradictory notes from official publications.
> Has
> anyone else got something on Teleos? Is there an interest to discuss
> this on the GD? At the moment, all Ive got are some handwritten
> notes,
> but if people are interested Ill do my best to present them in a more
>
> readable fashion.
>
> Cheers,
> Erik Nolander
>
>
> eriknolander_at_hotmail.com
>
> "And finally, a heartwarming thought:
> we are all doomed, but some of us are more doomed than others."
> Robyn Hitchcock
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 15:21:39 +0100
> From: Arf <waha_at_geocities.com>
> Subject: maps (and rules - sorry)
>
> <de-lurking>
>
> Hi everyone, it's been a while since I asked any dumb questions, so I
> thought it was about time...
>
> Can someone tell me ( maybe the man himself) who it was who posted the
> details of how to create a big map of Genertela (or how to get a
> copy).
> Private email would probably be better for this. Also I'd be
> interested
> to know if anyone out there has generated a detailed map of the Rubble
> or any of it's areas.
>
> I have posted a speculative set of fatigue rules on my site. I'd
> appreciate criticism from those who can offer it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Arf
> - --
> waha_at_geocities.com
> URL: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/7015
>
> - -.we are sunlight, we can sparkle and shine
> and our dreams are what we've made them.. (Dio)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:08:35 -0400 (EDT)
> From: <TTrotsky_at_aol.com>
> Subject: More Fun With Severed Heads
>
> Jane Williams:
>
> << One was that the head was supposed to hold the soul, and to be a
> source
> of power. This applied as much to your own side as it did to the
> enemy:
> the hero (god?) Bran, dying, instructed his followers to bury his
> head
> facing out to sea as a means of repelling invaders. >>
>
> GURPS Celtic Myth explains that the best thing to do with severed
> heads
> is hang them around your door, put them on gate posts, etc. The Celts
> apparently believed that the heads would then cry out if an enemy
> approached
> - - quite what the head's motivation for doing this was, I have no
> idea. Mind
> you, the very best heads you had collected were kept safely embalmed
> in a
> box, so you could show them off at social functions to prove your
> prowess.
> Alas, it has no information on the limed-brains-as-a-slingstone
> concept.
> I believe that the more closely related you were to the deceased, the
> more
> damage it would do to you. In game terms, this is presumably a variant
> of the
> 'Bless Thunderstone' divine magic spell. It would cost more points
> than the
> usual spell, say 3 points. However, the effective amount would depend
> on who
> you hit with it. So, if it was just Joe Orlanthi with no knowledge of
> the
> deceased, it would count as a 1-point Thunderstone*, but if he's the
> son of
> the deceased it counts as a 6-point stone*. And there would be a
> sliding
> scale in between: Tribe<Clan<Bloodline<Family, that sort of thing. So
> you can
> get lots of 'free' damage out of it, but only if you know exactly who
> to
> clobber.
>
> * per 3 points stacked
>
> Foward the glorious Red Army!
> Trotsky
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:18:41 -0500
> From: "Loren Miller" <loren_at_wharton.upenn.edu>
> Subject: Troll Music
>
> IMG, the ultimate Troll Music is "Rock and Roll Part 2," by Gary
> Glitter,
> or as performed by Bunnydrums, only the Gloranthan celebrity who wrote
> it
> was named something very different... perhaps Urgy Gloomer.
>
>
> - --
> +++++++++++++++++++++++23
> Loren Miller <loren_at_wharton.upenn.edu>
> A priest, a rabbi, a Penn student, and an elephant walk into
> a bar. The bartender says, "what is this, some kind of joke?"
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 13:02:12 PDT
> From: "Peter Metcalfe" <metcalph_at_hotmail.com>
> Subject: Wolves and Dogs
>
> Thomas the Telmori writes:
>
> >> Every species of animal, plant and fungi in glorantha has its own
> >> spirit. In many cases, two or more names for the same creature
> >> spirit may be known (for example the Telmori and the Dog People,
> >> the Galanini and the Pentan horse riders etc).
>
> >I'm interested in this example. Do you propose that Telmor and the
> >Big
> Dog are the same dieties and that wolf spirits are the same as >dog
> spirits ?
>
> Just because they worship the same spirit does not mean they
> can't hate each other and claim that other persons spirit
> is not the same as their own (cf europe during the reformation).
>
> - --Peter Metcalfe
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 01:04:48 +0100
> From: Tim Ellis <tim_at_timellis.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: McMonkey Burger
>
> >Monkeys are actually pretty common food in the East Isles, and Keets
> >eat them with annoying relish.
>
> One Monkey burger to go - and hold the annoying relish!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 21:32:07 +0100
> From: Tim Ellis <tim_at_timellis.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Troll Rap
>
> >since it came up... ;-)
> > For quite some time now I have assumed that ZZi use a
> "musical"
> >style very similar to "Gangsta Rap"
>
> "I'm a Firestarter, Twisted Firestarter" ?
> +---------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----+
> | Tim Ellis EMail tim_at_timellis.demon.co.uk
> |
> | What is the use of a book without pictures or conversations?
> |
> +---------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----+
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 01:47:43 +0100
> From: Tim Ellis <tim_at_timellis.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Healing Herbs
>
> Jane says of her healer Morocanth
> >
> >As a result of this, I'm going to have to come up with descriptions
> of
> >the healing herbs she carries around. I can find a few in old Tales,
> I
> >believe the new Drastic may have some when I finally get a copy:
> anyone
> >want to point me at some more?
> >
> Not Gloranthan, but ICE's Middle Earth rulebook and (i believe) source
> packs contained stuff on Healing Herbs (a vital necessity given their
> critical tables)
>
> I am sure I have also seen somewhere on the 'net at least one "real
> world" herb list, although I don't think it was much more than a list
> of
> herbs and their (supposed) properties - some of which are undoubtably
> true, and others just folklore - it may have been in some FTP archive,
> and I can't for the life of me remember wwhere, but I am sure a search
> engine would tuen up something similar if it would be any use
>
>
> >Also, who would be interested in my producing a much more detailed
> >listing of healing herbs and their uses, preparation, cultivation,
> etc.?
> >Along with descriptions of the illnesses they cure? The rules-effects
> will
> >be no different to what we already have, I just want the atmosphere.
> >Would anyone else use it?
> >
>
> Yes - it need not be all that detailed, (the aforementioned MERP list
> just gave a code for Climate/Locale/Difficulty of finding (ie mod to
> your roll) and a form/preparation (where form would be, for instance,
> leaf, fruit, root, berry, moss etc and preparation would be Brew (boil
> up for 20 rounds and drink), Ingest (swallow, chew, drink or inhale as
> appropriate) or Apply (takes 1-10 rounds to prepare and then apply to
> the area of the injury, which I assume can be anything from just slap
> the leaf on (like a dock leaf vs Nettles) to mixing as a poultice and
> applying with bandages...), along with (obviously) a name and effect,
> and a "normal" cost. We played that a character would only recognize
> certain of listed herbs anyway, so for RQ you would roll your
> (modified)
> healing plants skill to decide which ones you knew at character
> generation, and would then need to get training from other healers to
> recognize other plants and know how to prepare them. (Kind GM's may
> allow you to recognise/remember something on a critical roll "in the
> field" - especially when their last encounter has just decimated the
> party :-). This level of detail is certainly not huge but definitely
> adds more atmosphere than just "healing herbs" and "healing potions" -
> in fact it often seemed that searching out Herbs was an integral part
> of
> our MERP campaign (and, from a GM's point of view, it does get
> characters to stray off the beaten track as they go climbing the
> mountain or exploring in the forest as it is just the right location
> for
> a particularly rare or useful herb.
> +---------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----+
> | Tim Ellis EMail tim_at_timellis.demon.co.uk
> |
> | What is the use of a book without pictures or conversations?
> |
> +---------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----+
>
> ------------------------------
>
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