RE: The Glorantha Digest V5 #166

From: Sergio Mascarenhas <sermasalmeida_at_mail.telepac.pt>
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:14:29 +0100

Frank Rafaelsen on Loskalmi Justice:
First question: the system you described never worked in RW, why would = it work in Glorantha? Or is it the philosophy behind Loskalm's justice = system, a philosophy that only sees imperfect implementation? Second question: Your system seems designed with the Loskalmi citizen in = mind. What about foreigners?
Third question: Your system can easely lead to social engineering = (remember Kubrik's Mechanical Orange movie). Does it happen?

Fourth question: a critical difference between Glorantha and our RW is =
magic. I suppose that in such a system you could easely develop spells =
to condition peoples behavior that could substitute for our RW poenas. =
What do you think about it?

General comment - if you answer 'yes' to question one, three and four, = you get the kind of situation where a regime based on an igualitarian = and freedom ideology turns to opression and persecution of those it was = supposed to enlighten. Plenty of RW examples this century.

Sandy Petersen on rape and broos:
> 4) rape doesn't turn you into a broo - it just
> gives you a broo's soul. To undergo a physical transformation a broo
> shaman or chaos spirit or other suitable entity must cast a certain
> spell on you, too.

It 'just gives you a broo soul'? Sorry Sandy but this concept of a = 'soul' doesn't seem to me to fit very well wth Glorantha. In RW we speak = about 'body', 'spirit' and 'soul'. In Glorahta we speak about 'divine', = 'spiritual' and 'mundane' manifestations and beings. The physical is the = mundane.
The patern you depicted - when you relate succubus to rape - is a patern = where mundane facts and behavior have spiritual impact: they change your = spiritual self.
So rape can - in Gloranthan terms - turn you spiritualy into a broo (I = plainly agree with the argument that the chance of this change to occur = chould be small but grow with the frequence of rape). When it happens = does it change you physicaly? I think yes. IMO in Glorantha physic and = spirit are not separate. You are a whole both physicaly and spiritualy. = If one chages, the other changes. (This has nothing to do with = possession or undeads, situations where a spirit takes control of a body = when they are two separate entities.) A mundane event - rape - changes = your spirit. The other way chould also happen. Your spiritual change = into a broo changes your mundane characteristics. What this does NOT mean is that the mundane chage is apparent. You don't = grow horns, charpe teeth, fangs, etc. Not unless you continue in that = path of broodom: if you become wholehartedly a broo and keep acting like = one, with time you will undergo those changes.

> 5) Because of one of the above facts, most cultures are
> totally unaware of the rape/broo connection.
There is a very important aspect in your mundane characteristics that = changes when you become a broo through rape, when you are no longer a = man: REPRODUCTION. That is the key point here (that's why Thed and chaos = are so pleased when a man follows this path). You are now a broo so you = father broos. Through rape you must plant the seeds of a new broo = community. Those little broos are just like any child. Aren't they so = beautifull and perfect? Wait until they grow a little. See how they = behave. What they do to other childs, they the most strong and bold. See = what they start doing when they become - unusually soon - teenagers. Of = course, within two generations they will look less and less like man and = more and more like broos.
Because of this fact, IMO most cultures are totally aware of the = rape/broo connection. Kill the rapist before he starts spreading his = seeds. Kill the mother or practise abortion before the little devil is = born. Kill the child before it grows into an age where he will kill you = and take your wife and daughters...

The question is: why would a man, knowing this, rape the women of his = enemies? Why risk becoming a broo? Two possible answers: - - first, in Glorantha most men don't do it. You don't rape your enemy's = women.
- - second, you do it only in the frenzy of total war and it is seen as a = shameful act and you must clean your spirit after it. Maybe you will = have to kill the greatest broo chieftain in your region; or you must = discover and kill the person behind those rapes that happend in you clan = or tribe. In other words, you have difficult path of adventure ahead = before you can consider yourself clean again...

Best,

Sergio Mascarenhas

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End of The Glorantha Digest V5 #167


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