David "would have killed a kangaroo if asked" Dunham writes:
JR> I do not believe that the Esrolvuli are not initiated. . .
> Esrolvuli to be "proper" Orlanthi or even "Orlanthi".
DD>The double negatives here are mightly confusing, lawyer-man. Want to
rephrase this in clearer terms?
OK, let me phrase it clearly - I believe that the Esrolvuli:
1) are not initiated into the mysteries of the Second; 2) do not have the Ring of Orlanth as taught by King Heort; 3) hold the Earth goddesses to be of more practical importance than Orlanth& co.;
4) hold Orlanth as their storm god; 5) acknowledge Orlanth & his six companions as the Lightbringers; and 6) have a host of OOO and Gler influences.
Does that make more sense?
Peter "Killer Kiwi" Metcalfe writes:
>If you used '(Orlanthi) All Women are initiated into Ernalda'
>as a definition of Orlanthi then you can reasonably claim the
>Esrolvuli as Orlanthi but you risk of losing the Ralian Tribes.
Nope, for me the term "Orlanthi" simply means (1) they worship Orlanth as a premier storm god and (2) acknowledge that Orlanth and the Lightbringers ended the Darkness. Or to cite a published work, turn to page 16 of Gods of Glorantha and look at the little map.
>But to ask something, in your opinion, do the Esrolians see
>_themselves_ as being Orlanthi? If so then they are Orlanthi.
>If not (which is my opinion), then they aren't.
I don't think "Orlanthi" is a term used by the various tribes to describe themselves. "Orlanthi" is something that outsiders, scholars, and, most importantly, game writers use to describe a myraid of peoples that hold a few things in common. It is fairly useless as a term when you talking about the Esrolvuli compared to the Heortlings compared to the East Ralians. It is useful as a term when comparing the Esrolvuli with the Dara Happans or the Heortlings with the Pelandans.
Jeff
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