>> [on why we should use the Boddhisvattva parallel]
>Read again. I explained why _I_ find the parallell
>useful. If anyone else finds likewise, they are of
>course invited to share the idea, but I explicitly
>wrote that you can ignore it if you don't like it.
And I am allowed to question the usefulness of the parallel, am I not? If one choses to post ideas here then one should expect a fair bit of comment about it. So saying that people should hold their peace if they don't like it or see problems with it is a bit churlish.
>> But in every case that I've seen so far, the Boddhisvattva
>> parallel was presented as some universal truth about Malkioni
>> Saints. This is what annoys me.
>Hmm? The only absolute I have seen in this debate is
>on the line of "no, that is wrong".
Read the thread again. Some people were discussing it as being applicable to all Malkioni Saints. It was only _after_ I pointed out the changes that would be required that people started saying they were only talking about the beliefs of a few heretics. So regardless of whether the parallel was a statement of faith that should be adopted for salvation or just a mere suggestion, I do feel that I was justified in pointing out the problems with adopting it and not be derided for reading "too deeply" or issuing absolute "no, that is wrong".
>But, since my
>position has been unclear, I repeat: I like to use
>one aspect of bodhisattvas as a model for one aspect
>of malkioni saints, that is a postponement of their
>respective state of grace in order to help others on
>the same way. OK?
You are doing it again! In the last post you said you wanted it because it would be a useful bone of contention between the differing sects. And now it's back to all saints are postponing Solace.
>Also, as I have explicitly stated, I use one model,
>like this one, until a better comes along. If that
>happens, I adopt the better explanation.
Given that this is largely a matter of taste, I simply am not interested in changing your mind. All I set out to do was to illustrate some of the problems of the parallel with what is known about Malkionism.
>So please, expand on the Seven Heavens. Are they all in Solace?
A qualified yes.
>Where do the average dead Malkioni in good standing go?
It depends on how good they were in life.
>Which saints are in which heaven?
Unknown as yet.
>> Simultaneous existance is not unusual as there are living
>> Saints (ie in Solace and on Earth) in Glorantha.
>But that is no problem in my model, since they, as saints,
>are not in Solace yet.
If they are not in Solace, then how do they gain the ability to work miracles?
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