AS and Orlanthi sorcerers

From: Joerg Baumgartner <>
Date: Wed, 20 May 98 21:09 MET DST

Ian Welsh

> Arachne Solara does not respond to worship -- can't remember where I
> read that, but I'm quite positive it is the case.

There is a form of "organized" AS worship at Wild Temple in Beast Valley, although "orgiastic" fits the bill better. Beastmen (and possibly a few bestial human visitors as well) "dance", feast, slay, couple, etc.

AS doesn't respond to worship by granting divine spells or intervention, or accepting initiation. However, aspects of AS do respond to the worship. The rites at Wild Temple seem to address Tara, the Lady of the Wild, along with the supreme goddess of Nature, and IMO one-off fertility magics (to be used during the ritual) are a big part of the ongoing success of the beast people procreation.

Someone asked which is more fun:

>> 1) The orlanthi hate sorcerors. There are no sorcerors among the
>> orlanthi.
>> 2) The orlanthi hate sorcerors. But, some orlanthi are sorcerors.

>> Number two also makes more sense, IMO.

> Number one causes a lot less problems.

Such as making the presence of Seshnegi knights (e.g. Sir Narib's Pithdaros contingent of black-skinned knights, in Argrath's Free Army) and their wizards impossible?

"hate" isn't the same as "dislike" or "distrust".

> In Strangers in Prax the
> Orlanthi riot when a sorceror comes to Pavis.

The Orlanthi? All (even in the 85% sense)? Or some? Or a few (shaven?) dickheads looking for another excuse to cause trouble?

> In a place they control
> I'm quite sure a sorceror would be lynched with whatever force was
> necessary.

Bollocks. Sorry, but this statement is ridiculous.

They might deny the sorcerer access to the place the control, deny him the guest right. If he intrudes nonetheless, he is a hostile invader, and they deal with him as with all other invaders. Which is usually drive them off by a display of force, postponing lethal action as long as possible because lethality is likely to occur on both sides.

They might admit the sorcerer by the laws of hospitality. In that case, they cannot lynch him unless he performed a serious breach of the rules of hospitality. Releasing a demon upon the community, yes. Tapping (local) people or life-stock, yes. Performing a private ritual unharmful to his hosts, no. They might encourage a practising sorcerer to move on, but not lynch him.

The rules of hospitality apply for any community smaller than a city.

The paradox of an Orlanthi city has less clear-cut hospitality customs, but IMO a lot of Orlanthi cities have significant minorities of foreign stock, Westerners being one numerous minority. For a westerner to become a resident, it takes a city council or city official to approve. For a westerner to enter the city, it takes at least approval by the gate guards.

> Number two also smacks of monty haulism.

I don't see what Monty Hall has to do with Orlanthi sorcery users. What nationality did Delecti have before his transformation?

Do you fear Wind Lord Adepts? They'd be fairly ineffective, even if there were rules to allow them.

Do you fear Wind Lords supported by Adepts? Happens already. I'm fairly certain that quite a few chieftains in Aggar or Talastar would like to employ a wizard in their entourage for the extra oomph to overcome their rival chieftains. Few can afford this, but how do you think do e.g. the Vadeli enter new trading grounds but by insinuating themselves to local people in power?

Successful warlords like Greymane or his sons are quite certain to have sorcerers serving them.

Apple Lane has Third Eye Blue iron-smith sorcerers (herding goats) as established and accepted specialist residents. Now Apple Lane is hardly your typical Orlanthi place, but none of the neighbouring chieftains mounts ku-klux-clan like raids against the only smiths able to work his scant iron, either.

If you think about sorcerers as people who dwell in a tower atop a monster-filled dungeon and who tap the magical environment, how did they get there in the first place, and who granted them entry? If you think of sorcerers as magicians for hire, wouldn't you as a chieftain able to hire these services want to hire them? (Of course, other specialists would resent the intruder and his influence, but that's no different of a foreign Orlanthi priest entering the service of a local lord and diminishing a local priest's influence.)

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