> >but the Perfecti as a whole? I doubt it. They strike me as being, instead,
> >quintessentially dogmatic in their beliefs. Not that mysticism and dogma
> >are *absolutely* incompatible, provided the dogma itself transcends
> >ordinary logic (which has the side-effect of making it unacceptable to
> >the logical mind).
>
> I fail to see why the rejection of the dogma of the Hrestoli as being
> harmful to one's spiritual welfare entails that the Perfecti must be
> dogmatic.
Well, I don't think it's so much the *rejection* per se of Hrestoli dogma which is dogmatic, no; It's the idea that the Perfecti represent some kind of spiritual perfection, an idea propounded by these people, which is dogmatic. Dogma being, after all, the rejection of ideas which are incompatible with the intellectual weltanschaung(sp?) of some clique.
> I think they would argue that complying with the dictates
> of the so-called Ideal State of the Hrestoli hinders their spiritual
> development.
Yes, and this is a dogmatic POV.
> Since their chosen path to a state of grace is Martyrdom,
> it follows that they must attain their mystical status by passive
> resistance (and consequent martyrdom) to the so-called Ideal State.
More dogma.
> Secondly, the Perfecti came about after their founder, a Hrestoli
> Missionary, was imprisioned in Umathela along with some members of
> the Cult of Silence. By following their practicies (to wit:
> Silence), he attained his spiritual insight.
These sound like much nicer people ..
answering Nils:
> But the Malkioni mainstream reject transcendental conciousness. The
> 'Hidden Mover' is stated to be Unknowable. Anybody who claims
> otherwise is a illuminated heretic.
Yes, exactly my point ! :-)
> Nils Weinander:
>
> >As per the Hero Wars descriptions of the magic traditions
> >mysticism is geared totally towards escape from the world,
> >towards non-being.
>
> I don't think this is correct.
Well, I do ! (Hi Nils!)
> As far back as CoT, mysticism
> (based on the eastern thought) was said to be based on piercing
> the illusions of reality and attaining the bliss of the void.
> Therefore the Kralori would claim they can do magic because they
> understand how the Cosmos is but an illusion (in complete
> contrast to the Malkioni who claim they do magic because they
> understand the Cosmos).
Yes, but Void is one of the Runes of Chaos ...Otherwise, Gloranthans certainly believe what you suggest ...
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