BTW : a proposal : given that HW IS apparently going to have Mysticism rules, shouldn't we make a distinction between Mysticism and mysticism using upper and lower case?
> > Plus, Joy of the Heart is not an ordinary technique, and it can't be
> > written down, I think, although it can be taught to those who can learn.
>
> I disagree with this interpretation.
Fair enough.
> 'Joy' didn't get lost over the centuries because it was so difficult
> to understand, it was discarded because the God Learners replaced
> it with something _better_ (the One Mind spoken of in the back of
> Enclosure#1) so they could kick butt for the Invisible God.
Well, I haven't seen Enclosure, yet, but it sure sounds interesting ...
> But when they still lived, the concept that
> they had forgotten Hrestol's message would have seemed laughable
> to the God Learners themselves.
certainly.
> >>>> IMO the RW parallel [to the Perfecti] would be to say that the
> >>>> gospels are completely wrong and that Jesus said something different
>
> >>>But many people *have* indeed believed just such over the centuries.
>
> >> Yes. But they are still wrong from a mainstream christian PoV
>
> >Which mainstream christian POV? There is no static christian POV in History,
> >AFAIK. The evolution of the currents of thought which make up christianity
> >*depends* I believe on Jesus having said something different from what we were
> >previously led to believe.
>
> Which within mainstream christianity depends on the interpretation
> of the gospels themselves and not on the position that the gospels
> are "completely wrong".
Never said that they were. But many people who read them might be ...
> >The Divinity isn't tied down to a single culture in Malkioni thinking,
> >surely, and so what I suggested originally re: the Presence of the
> >Divinity (called Joy of the Heart), and which filled Hrestol being a
> >form of illumination is hardly alien to Malkioni theology IMO.
>
> But since Joy was approachable and understandable by Malkioni in
> the first age from a materialistic PoV, does it make sense to
> talk about Joy being 'a form of illumination'?
Not from your POV, obviously. I do not share this POV. I think that the actual materialists are the Brithini, who cannot feel "Joy of the Heart" in their materialism, because the world was broken during the Gods' war, and matter no longer has the benevolence it did when the Brithini were young. I think that "Joy of the heart" IS a form of illumination, although I suppose it must be the most simple and accessible kind, with no superpowers attached. Except in Malkioni mysticism, I suppose.
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